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Irrigating out of swamp #7308041
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With the Drought going on here and everything dying I am looking for a way to water some pastures. We have cattail swamps, heavy bog with muddy water underneath, no open water at all. Wondering if anyone had ever pulled water out of a swamp like this before? I was considering drilling many small holes in a 55 gallon barrel and burying it most of the way in the swamp, hopefully water would flow in and could be pumped out without a ton of debris.

Any thoughts before I get muddy trying to bury a barrel in a swamp?

Re: Irrigating out of swamp [Re: Donnersurvivor] #7308058
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Might goggle information about developing springs. I'd assume the ideas would be similar. We use plastic sewer lateral here.

Re: Irrigating out of swamp [Re: Donnersurvivor] #7308062
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I'd be careful. I don't know about MN but here in WI I think you might need DNR permission.

Re: Irrigating out of swamp [Re: Pike River] #7308069
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You are not going to be able to pump much out of a 55 gallon drum with holes in it. The drum won't fill very fast and a 3 acre slough with a small water hole won't water much pasture. There is not nearly as much "free" water in a boggy, muddy slough as one would think, if there was it would be a lake or a pond.

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Originally Posted by bblwi
You are not going to be able to pump much out of a 55 gallon drum with holes in it. The drum won't fill very fast and a 3 acre slough with a small water hole won't water much pasture. There is not nearly as much "free" water in a boggy, muddy slough as one would think, if there was it would be a lake or a pond.

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This swamp is probably 600+ acres of continuous swamp. I could see a barrel being to small to fill quickly enough. I'm not looking to do major irrigation at this time, just a bit of a test run on a couple acre pasture.

Re: Irrigating out of swamp [Re: Pike River] #7308078
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Originally Posted by Pike River
I'd be careful. I don't know about MN but here in WI I think you might need DNR permission.

As long as I don't use over 10,000 gallons per day no permit is needed from my understanding.

Re: Irrigating out of swamp [Re: Donnersurvivor] #7308092
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If there is water underneath and there is sand or gravel, wonder if you could drive a sand point. If its not got enough water capacity to keep from out pumping your water supply then your back to your barrel idea or maybe just a hole if the muck don't fill it up too fast. With a trash pump you can pump a pretty good hole out, ( maybe ).

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Originally Posted by Foxpaw
If there is water underneath and there is sand or gravel, wonder if you could drive a sand point. If its not got enough water capacity to keep from out pumping your water supply then your back to your barrel idea or maybe just a hole if the muck don't fill it up too fast. With a trash pump you can pump a pretty good hole out, ( maybe ).

Not sure on the legality of a sand point but that is a really good idea. This fall we're hoping to get a permit and turn part of the swamp into a pond, that should solve the issue long term.

Re: Irrigating out of swamp [Re: Donnersurvivor] #7308098
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Dig a trench with an excavator and line it with drilled barrels, laying down end to end, or plastic drainage tile. You want something similar to a giant French drain to pull from.

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Re: Irrigating out of swamp [Re: run] #7308124
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Originally Posted by run
I would pray for rain. My brother does believe in irrigation though. Irrigation can get a bit expensive. Just my 2 cents.

Hay is also expensive. If I could even irrigate 5-10 acres it would help a lot

Re: Irrigating out of swamp [Re: Donnersurvivor] #7308139
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If it's really soggy wet like you say, I don't see why it wouldn't work fine. The barrel is just a big filter. I'd wrap it in silt fence or landscape fabric to keep the crud out of your barrel

Re: Irrigating out of swamp [Re: Donnersurvivor] #7308144
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Got a creek on your land, that you can pump out of ?

Re: Irrigating out of swamp [Re: Donnersurvivor] #7308238
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If you can pump the water in the first place I’m not sure why you would need a permit to build a pond? The excavator idea is the best, when you go to dig your pond try to get to the gravel layer and it’ll work like a big sand point.

Re: Irrigating out of swamp [Re: Donnersurvivor] #7308280
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Sump pump in that 210 liter barrel, goes on and off as the water comes in. flows into a drip irrigation feed. lots of fussing about

Re: Irrigating out of swamp [Re: Donnersurvivor] #7308285
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I would just dig a hole for a sump with a trash pump. I have been taking 100 gallons a day from the lake to help water and got a verbal warning from the CO. If I were you I would do it anyway.


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Re: Irrigating out of swamp [Re: Donnersurvivor] #7308299
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While a 55 gal barrel seems big it really isn't ---- if you are looking for 1 small (3-5gpm) sprinkler it would probably be fine -- if you are looking for larger capacities -- you need to increase your "screen area" which decreases the velocity of the water coming through the screen. I have pumped manure lagoon water through a center pivot and have had to fight those same issues -- 600gpm sprinkler package -- 2500 gpm rated self cleaning screen. It barely kept up. I do irrigation service work for a living and be happy to talk to you about it. pm me- if you are interested and we can touch bases via phone.

Re: Irrigating out of swamp [Re: Donnersurvivor] #7308308
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Just to put into perspective it takes 27,900 gallons of water to irrigate ONE surface acre with ONE inch of water- So If you want to water 5 acres of pasture and are limited to less than 10000 gallons per day ( without obtaining a special permit) then you could theoretically put a 1/2 inch of irrigation down on 5 acres each week Without getting apermit. That might work out just fine and could be the difference betweengetting a cutting of hay or not having one . BUt and f you would want to do more acres ( you mentioned up to 10) - to be on the safe side of the law, it would pay to see what a permit for more usage would be if it turns out to be an adequate source of water. Like you had mentioned digging out a pond would probably be the best long term solution for irrigation to provide adequate water for that amount of area.

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ponds or other temp storage devices are a great thing --- do the math on 10,000 gals per day ---- times 365=== don't forget to pump into the pond in the winter. I know you have temp issues. Also remember your house well is probably regulated to the same 10g per day -- I don't know what shape it is in -but consider it. That could give you 20g per day -- don't know your soils or climate (summer or winter) but in our area 1.5 inch every 7-10 days is adequate. I'm sure nrcs has your local info available.

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Originally Posted by H2ORat
ponds or other temp storage devices are a great thing --- do the math on 10,000 gals per day ---- times 365=== don't forget to pump into the pond in the winter. I know you have temp issues. Also remember your house well is probably regulated to the same 10g per day -- I don't know what shape it is in -but consider it. That could give you 20g per day -- don't know your soils or climate (summer or winter) but in our area 1.5 inch every 7-10 days is adequate. I'm sure nrcs has your local info available.


This is my exact plan, build a pond on the high point of the farm as well as dig out the swamp a bit, pump out of the swamp up into the pond then irrigate out of the pond when needed. These are all long term plans so I'm hoping it unfolds the way I imagine.

Lots of good ideas in this thread, thanks.

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It might not be applicable but it is amazing how much water can be moved with a grain auger and tank truck

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