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Re: Is Canada safe for Christians? [Re: Foxpaw] #7311121
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Originally Posted by Foxpaw
What's the difference in a disciple and an apostle ?


The historically traditional view is that the disciples were more numerous but that there were the twelve disciples, the core, whom Jesus taught, (with the "12" being a biblical theme which is a bit deeper than a couple sentences here = short answer; 12 tribes of Israel).
Matthias replaced Judas Iscariot (Acts 1:26) in that core twelve but this was after Christ ascended to Heaven.

Apostles typically refers to those who visibly witnessed the Risen Savior and who were divinely inspired to record it, as in the Apostolic teachings that were handed down to us to receive, protect, and pass on, so that "you contend earnestly for the faith, which was once for all handed down to the saints" (Jude 1:3).

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Re: Is Canada safe for Christians? [Re: LLtrapper] #7311125
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Mark, isn't it true the twelve disciples did not include Paul?

Every Christian can be said to be a "disciple" in the broad sense of the term.

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Re: Is Canada safe for Christians? [Re: LLtrapper] #7311126
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James,
The original 12 didn't include Paul. He was a killer of Christians before he was converted by Jesus on the road to Damascus.

And yes, we are, as the faithful called to be disciples and disciple others.
In that broad prescriptive sense.


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Re: Is Canada safe for Christians? [Re: Mark June] #7311158
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The link below may add some clarification from a Biblical aspect.

Bryce

https://www.compellingtruth.org/difference-disciple-apostle.html

Re: Is Canada safe for Christians? [Re: LLtrapper] #7311188
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Paul was the first oralrobertsjimmyswaggert


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Is Canada safe for Christians? [Re: LLtrapper] #7311192
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Of course since there are no original gospels, only stuff from a couple hundred years later still in existance ,he may have been created by a writer


Its easy enough to look up. The oldest manuscript is not complete and was written 200 years later

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Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Is Canada safe for Christians? [Re: LLtrapper] #7311201
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Forgive us if we don't place our eternal salvation in the things easy enough to look up. grin

Paul's brutal sufferings at the hands of others is truly appreciated by this gentile 2,000 years after he was killed for his views.
He, like all the Apostles save John, were killed for a faith they would not recant.
Having seen a dead man rise again and walk and eat changed their worldview, and this world, forever more.

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Re: Is Canada safe for Christians? [Re: LLtrapper] #7311202
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Well Mark, at least two people are up early. I am hauling rock to a portable concrete plant all day. Starting to wish i was in Iowa


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Is Canada safe for Christians? [Re: LLtrapper] #7311203
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If a church group hauled my gramma off at a young age, imprisoned and tortured her, i might burn down a building too. I seriously doubt christians or christianity is in any danger in Canada


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Is Canada safe for Christians? [Re: danny clifton] #7311204
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
Well Mark, at least two people are up early. I am hauling rock to a portable concrete plant all day. Starting to wish i was in Iowa


You are a rock hauling son of a gun friend.
The rest of these trappers are sleepy heads.
I'm headed to IA on a red eye bird tomorrow.
You headed to Spencer this year?
Stop by the booth if so.
We don't share world views but who says we have to? laugh


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Re: Is Canada safe for Christians? [Re: bblwi] #7311205
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Originally Posted by bblwi
The link below may add some clarification from a Biblical aspect.

Bryce

https://www.compellingtruth.org/difference-disciple-apostle.html


Good post Bryce.
The New Testament Greek word for disciple; mathetes means one who engages in learning from another. Most biblical scholars would agree Jesus had twelve main men as disciples who he personally taught for three years before His death.

The Koine Greek word for Apostle; apostolos means a delegate, envoy, or messenger. Typically the Biblical narrative would refer to the Apostles as those who were sent out with the good news of the Gospel; the Person and Work of Jesus Christ in his 1st and 2nd Coming.

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Re: Is Canada safe for Christians? [Re: danny clifton] #7311224
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
If a church group hauled my gramma off at a young age, imprisoned and tortured her, i might burn down a building too. I seriously doubt christians or christianity is in any danger in Canada


Christians are not in danger? What about the priest or nuns who worked at the schools in the 90s this isn't a problem from 200 years ago it happened 25 to 30 years ago. The people who did the deeds are alive the people who suffered are alive. The burning of the buildings could very much be the first round.


Life sure is tough when you don't learn from the mistakes of others.
Re: Is Canada safe for Christians? [Re: LLtrapper] #7311259
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You all need to look into the Galatians to see Paul was a disciple. he speaks clearly that he was not taught by man of what he knew. LLL


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Re: Is Canada safe for Christians? [Re: LLtrapper] #7311269
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All of us broadly speaking are disciples if we are being taught by another. Disciple is not an exclusively biblical term. I think James was referring to Jesus' core 12 disciples.
Paul, as you mention LL, rebuked Peter, upon whom Jesus said he would build His Church (Matt 16:18) but both men would endure suffering to began the church in Judea, Samaria, and beyond and fascinatingly both men served jail time and were martyred for their faith in similar fashion.

And we think we're tough....
And who said Christians would endure no suffering? That's not biblically accurate unless you attend a liberal theology church which teaches portions of Scripture "they" decide are true.
Scripture assures us we, as Jesus did, most certainly suffer here in this life.

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Re: Is Canada safe for Christians? [Re: LLtrapper] #7311272
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Trap setter, according to several others on here if they did bad stuff they are not really christians


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Re: Is Canada safe for Christians? [Re: Yes sir] #7311274
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Originally Posted by Foxpaw
I think I'm a descendant of Adam and Eve, if you want to move it up a little , then Noah and the Mrs ?

We might be related. I'm guessing 3rd or 4th cousins..lol


And I'll claim you as such. Let's just not go to far up the tree on our mothers (Mrs Noah) side, lol.

Re: Is Canada safe for Christians? [Re: danny clifton] #7311335
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
Of course since there are no original gospels, only stuff from a couple hundred years later still in existance ,he may have been created by a writer


Its easy enough to look up. The oldest manuscript is not complete and was written 200 years later


You didn't stumble on to a new idea there, danny. When you consider these texts are a couple thousand years old and how few we have remaining (remarkable considering the various persecutions), there is very little variance from from one extant manuscript to another.

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Originally Posted by danny clifton
Of course since there are no original gospels, only stuff from a couple hundred years later still in existance ,he may have been created by a writer


Its easy enough to look up. The oldest manuscript is not complete and was written 200 years later

Dead sea scrolls were written between 150 B.C - 70 A.D.


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