Re: Dog training advice please
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You might look into the training methods endorsed by NAVHDA (North American Versatile Hunting Dog Association) - those dogs are worked to provide "fur and feather" ranging from grouse to deer. They put out a training book some years ago that you might find helpful. I ran pointers, setters, and shorthairs back in the day and one of the books I always liked was "Training Bird Dogs the Delmar Smith Way" - just preferred his style of training dogs. This might seem silly, but get the right breed for the species you intend to hunt. Back in the days of my complete ignorance of bird dogs, I bought a Springer Spaniel with the intention of training it to point grouse. What I didn't know (which was about everything bird dog) was a springer is bred to be a flushing dog. What I wanted was a pointing dog. I would have had to have fought every instinct bred into a flushing dog to get it to point, if it were even possible. I've never been a fan of the versatile breeds but I've hunted over some good ones. I considered Delmar Smith's (Bill Tarrant) book the bible on pointing dogs. He knew dogs.
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Re: Dog training advice please
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Over the past 50 years, I've had some of the finest bird dogs imaginable. Several different breeds, and they've all been phenomenal. I'm of the old-school I guess, and I would wholeheartedly endorse the training methods of Wolters (see images of books above posted by dirtydogtrapping). Make it fun for the dog, and it'll be fun for you.
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Re: Dog training advice please
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Another vote for the Wolters books. They are my training Bibles and I have been using them and referring to them for forty-plus years.
The books are old but the methods Wolters taught were classic and will always work well. The man understood canine behavior.
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Re: Dog training advice please
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Obedience and socialization are very important, and as others have suggested are a good place to start. However, it is best to think of hunt training as a combined effort. Your dog is going to train you as much as you believe you are going to train him. Utilize and learn his natural instincts give encouragement where and when needed, but allow him to show you what he instinctively knows...
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Re: Dog training advice please
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I have always started my pups. Using a toy cap gun in the house. Every time you play with the pup throw his toy and fire the cap gun. They will associate the sound to there toy. Other than that I use the gun dog books to train them to understand hand signals That's what I always liked to use were the Gun Dog books.
The difference between animals and humans is that animals would never let the dumbest ones lead the pack.
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Re: Dog training advice please
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You don’t have to teach a hunting dog to hunt. You teach it obedience extremely well, most importantly “whoa”. You have to be able to control where the dog goes, make sure it isn’t startled by the gun, and after that take the dog hunting. You cannot teach the dog anything about hunting that thousands of years of instinct doesn’t already tell it. The only part of hunting that needs to be taught is the retrieve, cause instinct tells them to eat what they catch. Obedience is the what makes or breaks a good hunting dog. If the dog has the instinct and you are always in control of it, that’s all it takes to have a good bird dog. If one of those is lacking, you’re in for a lot of headaches.
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Re: Dog training advice please
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Whatever training theory you decide to subscribe to, remember these 3 words! . . . Time, patience, and Repetition! . . . (TPR). :-)
"Humans are the hardest people to get along with." Dr. Phillip Snow
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Re: Dog training advice please
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Dirtydog has it. Nothing better the Gun dog and Water dog. Great books
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