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Ethics Question #7314235
07/26/21 12:33 PM
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I was on the tractor all weekend and was thinking a lot about trapping. I thought through the following question:

If trappers and trapping organizations are sincere in their statements that trapping is a humane and effective way to manage wildlife resources, are trappers somehow ethically bound to trap even during low fur prices?

In my opinion, a guy with the knowledge and equipment does have some responsibility to keep trapping during low fur prices. Or maybe to teach someone else how to trap or to pass on his equipment.

In full disclosure, I have never made a profit trapping. I run a decent sized line (by Oklahoma standards--10 dozen-ish traps out at a time for a month) but it is to manage my farms, help out my neighbors and because I really enjoy it.

What are your thoughts?


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Re: Ethics Question [Re: Blaine County] #7314237
07/26/21 12:36 PM
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If you wanna trap, then trap. If you donít then donít.

Pretty simple. Everyone has their reasons to be out there, or not.
Need a cheer section?

Re: Ethics Question [Re: Blaine County] #7314239
07/26/21 12:37 PM
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And how is your post about ethics? More about personal motivation, it seems.

Re: Ethics Question [Re: Blaine County] #7314241
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I think is our obligation to trap every year. Take the good years with the bad


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Re: Ethics Question [Re: mad_mike] #7314242
07/26/21 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by mad_mike
If you wanna trap, then trap. If you donít then donít.

Pretty simple. Everyone has their reasons to be out there, or not.
Need a cheer section?


Not really.

It was just a question that I was thinking through and I thought maybe some trappers might have an opinion. Thank you for yours.


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Re: Ethics Question [Re: mad_mike] #7314247
07/26/21 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by mad_mike
And how is your post about ethics? More about personal motivation, it seems.


Not really personal motivation either. I was reading one of my trapping magazines and there was a bunch talk about heritage, managing wildlife, etc. If that this message we send as a group, do we not have a sincere obligation to live it--regardless of fur prices?


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Re: Ethics Question [Re: Blaine County] #7314249
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Originally Posted by Blaine County
Originally Posted by mad_mike
If you wanna trap, then trap. If you donít then donít.

Pretty simple. Everyone has their reasons to be out there, or not.
Need a cheer section?


Not really.

It was just a question that I was thinking through and I thought maybe some trappers might have an opinion. Thank you for yours.

I have always been of the thought that a trapper traps. For management, pleasure, and then profit.

My 2c.

Re: Ethics Question [Re: Blaine County] #7314252
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Originally Posted by Blaine County
Originally Posted by mad_mike
And how is your post about ethics? More about personal motivation, it seems.


Not really personal motivation either. I was reading one of my trapping magazines and there was a bunch talk about heritage, managing wildlife, etc. If that this message we send as a group, do we not have a sincere obligation to live it--regardless of fur prices?


Yes

Re: Ethics Question [Re: Blaine County] #7314273
07/26/21 01:18 PM
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Well the way I see it, when things operate on a free market, then things would be able to cycle out and would work to keep things in balance. But since if someone buying fur or leather clothing risk getting red paint thrown on them or worse then so much for a free market. When one leg of the equation is tied kinda like the hostages in Platos' "Allegory of the Cave" and are manipulated by a squad of puppets then I would think that would shift the obligation from those whose once operated under a free system and kept things in balance back to those causing the log jam. Let the PETA group take care of the problem they created.
Now I know that won't happen and more than likely government intervention will have to help at some point. Most likely with a bounty system to collect the tails and throw the rest of the natural resource in the ditch to rot.

Re: Ethics Question [Re: Blaine County] #7314284
07/26/21 01:28 PM
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The animals will live and die without your hand involved. So, might as well play. If it interests you.

Still donít grasp how you trapping or not due to market value is an ethics issue.

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Re: Ethics Question [Re: Blaine County] #7314287
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You cannot stockpile wildlife the land will hold what it will hold.


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Re: Ethics Question [Re: Blaine County] #7314289
07/26/21 01:34 PM
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My thoughts?

You need to spend less time on your tractor!


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Re: Ethics Question [Re: Blaine County] #7314291
07/26/21 01:40 PM
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I have not sold hair of fur in decades yet I still trap and shoot . My reasons are mostly for management. Right now turkey numbers are down around these parts and song dog numbers are up. So i'll try to put an dent in the coyote population. Thats the only reason I do it. I should get one of those electronic call gadgets and learn how to use it as well but right now its not in the budget.

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Re: Ethics Question [Re: Blaine County] #7314293
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Pleasure should never be a reason. imo

Re: Ethics Question [Re: hippie] #7314295
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Originally Posted by hippie
Pleasure should never be a reason.

Is time spent in the outdoors not a pleasure?

Re: Ethics Question [Re: Blaine County] #7314297
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Re: Ethics Question [Re: mad_mike] #7314300
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Originally Posted by mad_mike
The animals will live and die without your hand involved. So, might as well play. If it interests you.

Still donít grasp how you trapping or not due to market value is an ethics issue.


If we say as a group we need to trap because of X (and do not talk about Y) and then do not trap because of Y, that is arguably unethical.

If we only trap for money, we should say we need to trap for money.

You are getting caught up on the title to the post. Let me know how you want it renamed or start your own.


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Re: Ethics Question [Re: Blaine County] #7314301
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Got it BC. Still clear as mud

Re: Ethics Question [Re: Redknot] #7314302
07/26/21 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Redknot
My thoughts?

You need to spend less time on your tractor!


Tractor time is good for the brain. I zone out and come up with some of my best ideas (or most obscure questions)!


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Re: Ethics Question [Re: Blaine County] #7314304
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I think it is odd, the people that make the big bucks very seldom set a trap. They just keep putting more regulation on trappers.
The are your DNR. They want more deer to get more money but if you hit one with a car they no longer have any interest in them.
In Michigan I would say at least 45% of all auto repairs are do to hitting deer. Around 50,000 a year.


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