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Re: Mark of the beast [Re: jbyrd63] #7317661
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James,

Think about that one a moment. Is there any possible situation where God's will would not be done? God is omnipotent. His will is always done, <<<< you were humming right along pretty well


and your prayer cannot affect that will no matter how hard you pray. <<<<<<< and then you play god

Jesus taught his disciples how to pray and since God's only Son taught it to his disciples - in a prescriptive (do it) way - and the Son says that those who have seen Me have seen My Father,
which is a revealed blessing for our sake.
I'm sure glad the Apostle Matthew, and more, were Inspired by the Spirit to record it.

I prayed bedside blessings today for two different saints who went Home.
Come and mention to those folks loved ones that agape (unconditional) love is a myth and that prayer is also.
They would not agree.

Blessings,
Mark



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Re: Mark of the beast [Re: James] #7317663
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Originally Posted by James
You either believe the prophecies of Bronze-age sheep-herders through blind faith, or you don't.

Jim

Lol, typical fundie atheist. Without looking it up, I doubt very much you have a clue who wrote a book in the OT.

Re: Mark of the beast [Re: jbyrd63] #7317670
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There are hardly any atheists in the world. Very rare in fact.
The mind is an idol making machine on full throttle.


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Re: Mark of the beast [Re: James] #7317694
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Originally Posted by James
Think about that one a moment. Is there any possible situation where God's will would not be done? God is omnipotent. His will is always done, and your prayer cannot affect that will no matter how hard you pray. Jim


thanks for proving that you're not NEARLY as bright as you THINK you are.


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Re: Mark of the beast [Re: jbyrd63] #7317702
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there is nothing about christianity that makes any sense at all to me. i was raised to believe it and did till i was about 12


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Re: Mark of the beast [Re: danny clifton] #7317712
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
there is nothing about christianity that makes any sense at all to me. i was raised to believe it and did till i was about 12


I have a question Danny: Do you mean that you do not believe in Christianity as a "whole religious concept", or that you don't believe in a Superior(s) Being and that humans are THE "superior" beings?


"Humans are the hardest people to get along with."
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Re: Mark of the beast [Re: jbyrd63] #7317727
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Danny, with the utmost respect, what is it in Jesus' teachings and the Old Testament that make no sense at all to you? I would really like to know.

I've been in your shoes in regards as faith in Christianity goes, but now Jesus is the only thing that makes sense to me.

Re: Mark of the beast [Re: jbyrd63] #7317745
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Mark:

Yeah, I forgot those words are in the Lord's Prayer, didn't I? What I was taught to call, as a Catholic, the Our Father. I can still say the Our Father, along with the Hail Mary. Say ten of each as penance, and get 322 days off in Purgatory.

That was the old doctrine anyway. I don't know what they're teaching these days.

Having thought about it more, I've arrived at the conclusion that the words are more an affirmation of acceptance of God's will, than a literal request that His will be done. Am I close?

Jim


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Re: Mark of the beast [Re: jbyrd63] #7317806
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The more I observe the religious threads I realize that the catholic religion has screwed up more people than it has helped.


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Re: Mark of the beast [Re: mink99] #7317811
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Originally Posted by mink99
The more I observe the religious threads I realize that the catholic religion has screwed up more people than it has helped.

^^^^This^^^^

Re: Mark of the beast [Re: mink99] #7317813
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Originally Posted by mink99
The more I observe the religious threads I realize that the catholic religion has screwed up more people than it has helped.


Only the proddydogs think that.

Re: Mark of the beast [Re: James] #7317888
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Originally Posted by James
Having thought about it more, I've arrived at the conclusion that the words are more an affirmation of acceptance of God's will, than a literal request that His will be done. Am I close? Jim


what an arrogant bass poop! you think you can give something in the Bible a few more seconds of your superior "intellect" and have it all figured out?

why wouldn't He have just said something like Look, it's gonna be God's way, anyway; so you might as well get with the program. ?

that's not what I believe.

I believe that He was teaching us how to pray, for us to request (from Him) that we realign our desires to match up with His desire for us

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Re: Mark of the beast [Re: jbyrd63] #7317891
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Re: Mark of the beast [Re: jbyrd63] #7317905
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James,
I believe you are asking a sincere question. If that's the case you may be intrigued and even enjoy reading the 95 reasons Martin Luther cast his famous aspersions against the Western Church in 1517 that set in motion the schism between protesters and that Western Church.

The Protestant and Roman Catholics are united in the core doctrines of Christianity with the Roman Catholics (as they are now called) adding to those doctrines. Adding is called heterodoxy and deemed Christian as long as it doesn't spin too far off axis. Mariology is an add on. Penance is an add on. In fact, five of the seven Roman Catholic sacraments are add ons to Jesus' ordained two sacraments Baptism and Lord's Supper. (Think how God spoke Ten Commandments to Moses which became 613 laws of men by the time of Jesus' coming.... us humans sure like to craft!)

Some so called Christian religions, according to their faith doctrines, have subtracted from the core doctrines.... that's called heresy. Heresy has been around since the first century Gnostics and early century Arians, and many more.

Most of the differences revolve around the Apostolic teachings and recordings of Jesus Christ. The Protestant and Roman Catholic faiths are orthodox (correct thinking) in regards to what was handed down from those Apostles who had physically seen or touched the Risen Christ.

Most heretics want to insert humanism into the core theology too much.
Us humans do have a rational mind, by His design, but the non-puppet crafting was meant to ultimately honor God's glory, not our own.

Simply James, Jesus came to teach us to love the God we hate.
Our depraved nature tends to hate anything that.... stands in our way...that we can't figure out...is not our way or the highway... and 1,000 other sayings humans now say.

I hope this helps.
You won't come to faith by figuring it out but it's healthy to humbly reflect on why we came to faith by God choosing and effectually calling.

Blessings,
Mark


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Re: Mark of the beast [Re: jbyrd63] #7317931
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Chancey, I appreciate your willingness to explain things.


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Re: Mark of the beast [Re: Boco] #7317945
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Originally Posted by Boco
Originally Posted by mink99
The more I observe the religious threads I realize that the catholic religion has screwed up more people than it has helped.


Only the proddydogs think that.

How familiar are you with the Bible? Scale of 1 to 10.

Re: Mark of the beast [Re: jbyrd63] #7317949
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Can prayer change things?

The effectual, fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

I believe that...seems like I read it somewhere. smile


Badges?? We don't need no stinkin' badges!!!

Re: Mark of the beast [Re: Staner] #7317993
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Originally Posted by Staner
Can prayer change things?

The effectual, fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

I believe that...seems like I read it somewhere. smile


Well if prayer don't change things then I guess a lot of lip service is still underneath the altar.

I had an incident where I went to a big church and on my 3rd time there. I had a little lady come to me and told me she prayed for her husband to die and in 2 days he dropped dead from a heart attack. Her question to me was did I think he went to that bad place. I had to dig in further as to what the problem was. She said he was abusive to her (had one arm in a sling from the last bout) and she prayed to God to make him stop. She never actually prayed for Him to kill him, but that was the result. So we need be willing to accept Gods' decision and will when we pray.

None of us are ever too wise not to learn something. Sometimes we may even get sent to the tanners house to get the lesson.

Had another similar deal and all my advisers said God won't hear prayers from the lost except the sinners prayer. Which for the most part I agree with, however a few weeks later at still a different church there had been a bad wreck and a guy was critical and for most part was at deaths door. Before the service even started 4 little kids ages 3 to 10 were on the altar praying for their daddy. He miraculously recovered. No one could ever make me believe it wasn't those kids prayers that God heard and answered. I'm pretty sure they had never heard of the sinners prayer. Maybe when we come as little children God pays attention.

Re: Mark of the beast [Re: Staner] #7317998
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Originally Posted by Staner
Can prayer change things?

The effectual, fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

I believe that...seems like I read it somewhere. smile

Not according to a Calvinist.
(BTW that's one of the many reasons I'm not a Calvinist).


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Re: Mark of the beast [Re: jbyrd63] #7318003
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Amen Waggler. "what ever will be will be ", lol

Been down the fatalism road and well, its just seems fatal.

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