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Re: Witching water [Re: Vinke] #7318384
07/31/21 07:25 PM
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Ever have that feeling that someone is watching you and when you look over, they are?

I think a tiny part of our brain is involved in our consciousness. There is a big chunk of our brain in the back room that does all sorts of stuff outside of our consciousness and it just passes information up when it's needed. I tell my hand to throw the basketball and somewhere in my brain an engineer calculates the initial velocity, launch angle, considers wind resistance, and the hardness of the backboard and tells every muscle in my body how much to retract, when, and how fast so that I can get the ball through the hoop. I'm not conscious of any of this, it happens in the back room.

There's also a security guard who watches the video from the edges of my vision. I'm only aware of what happens in front of me but when there's danger on the edges, this security guard notifies my consciousness. Eyes watching us used to mean lions, or bears. Now it's just the creepy guy in the next car but security is still doing it's job in the back room.

I believe that witching for water is possible but I think there's a guy in the back room of our brain who recognizes signs that our consciousness isn't aware of and passes the info up when we're in the right spot.

I think it's real - but I think it's just us.


-Ryan
Re: Witching water [Re: Vinke] #7318387
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My grandfather used wire rods or a y stick from a tree. I watched him do it many times. He couldn’t explain it. Just said here is the water smile

Re: Witching water [Re: Vinke] #7318398
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We do it every day to verify located lines. I will not dig until I wand it. It seems to be that anything that breaks the earth's magnetic field will turn the rods.

Re: Witching water [Re: loosegoose] #7318411
07/31/21 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
It's pseudoscience at best. It's caused by ideomotor response.... you're unconsciously moving the sticks yourself, not due to any outside force. Multiple studies have shown that it's no better than random chance.

I'm a man of science. Having said that i have no understanding at all how it works, but I know with 100% absolute knowledge that it does work. At least for some.

At my brother's recommendation I got an old man by the name of Harold Livingston to "douse" a well for me. He was 85 years old, could barely walk and had such bad rheumatism in his hands that they were in a permanent clinch. He took a dead forked willow and found a spot he liked and then asked if "I had the gift". So I walked over his spot with the sticks and they didn't move a bit. Then he asked me to take one side while he held the other. He told me to clinch it as tight as I could. We each held our part of the stick palms up. As we walked up to the magic spot I could not keep the stick from twisting through my palm and pointing down. So for what its worth... and old man with bad arthritis or rheumatism in his hands can make a stick point down with his palm up? Me holding the other side and I can't stop it from twisting through my hand?

By God. It does work!!!! And we drilled that well and it got 55 gallons at 98 ft when he said 60 at 90. He used a different switch and bobbed for those answers. Heck if I know how it works..... but it absolutely does.

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Re: Witching water [Re: James] #7318417
07/31/21 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by James
Isn't witching water practicing magic, which the Bible somewhere (I forget where) attributes to Satan?

Isn't that why they used to burn or drown witches?

Jim

My brother who is a Jehovahs witness did not "witch" his well site because the elders of his congregation advised against witchcraft. He got about 12 gallons at 140 ft at the spot he gave the well drillers. On the same farm about 450 ft to the south my another bother got 45 gallons at 120 ft. Another 450 ft due east of that my father got our original irrigation well at 60 gallons at 138 ft. My well came in at 55 gallons at 98 ft 425 ft NNE of brother Ken's well. All of the successful wells witched. Oh, and my oldest brother put in his well where it was convenient, next to his garage (300 ft east southeast off my 55 gallon well and got 8-9 gallons at 130 ft and kept the rig drilling until they went 285 ft where they it hit 25 gallons of sulfur water.

Summary: You choose the site...crappy results. Witched? Good wells.

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Re: Witching water [Re: Vinke] #7318424
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The old guy I know who does it uses copper wire he says it works better for him than the willow stick, the local tiling boys just pull a locating tool out of the pickup and start scanning the ground.

Re: Witching water [Re: Vinke] #7318444
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Might as well put doubters on ignore, they're wrong on a lot of other subjects.

Re: Witching water [Re: James] #7318458
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Originally Posted by James
Isn't witching water practicing magic, which the Bible somewhere (I forget where) attributes to Satan?

Isn't that why they used to burn or drown witches?

Jim



They only burn the bad witches. Bad witches are ugly. Good witches are pretty.

Re: Witching water [Re: Yes sir] #7318477
07/31/21 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Yes sir
James are you saying science has discovered everything there is to know. Because if your not then your statement above is blatantly flawed at the simplest level. As far a witching goes I've done it, it works whether you or I can explain it.


Of course I'm not saying that science has discovered everything.

Did you watch the Amazing Randi video? The witcher was only able to match random results.

Do you really believe someone can detect water with a stick through a hundred feet of rock and soil?

Jim


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Re: Witching water [Re: James] #7318493
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Originally Posted by James
Originally Posted by Yes sir
James are you saying science has discovered everything there is to know. Because if your not then your statement above is blatantly flawed at the simplest level. As far a witching goes I've done it, it works whether you or I can explain it.


Of course I'm not saying that science has discovered everything.

Did you watch the Amazing Randi video? The witcher was only able to match random results.

Do you really believe someone can detect water with a stick through a hundred feet of rock and soil?

Jim

I admit I didn't watch it.... and I know it sounds foolish...... I'll believe what I experience myself first hand over what I see on a video. And to the stick, water and a hundred foot of rock I can't speak first hand because I've never tried that but coat hangers, water line and 8 foot of dirt I can say it works with utmost confidence.

Re: Witching water [Re: Vinke] #7318499
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James, the "Amazing Randi" was a debunker of so called "psychics", magicians, and con men etc. . . e.g. Urie Geller types. He was not however a man, as most aren't, that can explain the "Unknown Laws of the Universe". :-)


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Re: Witching water [Re: James] #7318547
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Originally Posted by James
Originally Posted by Yes sir
James are you saying science has discovered everything there is to know. Because if your not then your statement above is blatantly flawed at the simplest level. As far a witching goes I've done it, it works whether you or I can explain it.


Of course I'm not saying that science has discovered everything.

Did you watch the Amazing Randi video? The witcher was only able to match random results.

Do you really believe someone can detect water with a stick through a hundred feet of rock and soil?

Jim


I know I can detect water with a single piece of wire and a flat washer on the end through at least 600' of soil, rock, shale, chert, and sand. I have been doing it successfully for 41 years. I can detect the approximate depth but will not predict how strong the well will be but if I think it will be less than 5GPM I will tell them I think it will be a weak well and it is up to them if they want to take a chance or if that will be enough.
I will keep doing it as long as I am able to move around.


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Re: Witching water [Re: James] #7318563
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Originally Posted by James
Originally Posted by Yes sir
James are you saying science has discovered everything there is to know. Because if your not then your statement above is blatantly flawed at the simplest level. As far a witching goes I've done it, it works whether you or I can explain it.


Of course I'm not saying that science has discovered everything.

Did you watch the Amazing Randi video? The witcher was only able to match random results.

Do you really believe someone can detect water with a stick through a hundred feet of rock and soil?

Jim

Yes as a matter of fact I do believe that. Doesn't mean I can explain it. As far as your other comment about witching wells being witchcraft and warned against in the Bible; that is an argument that has been made at times by different churches and religious people, I don't believe it is witchcraft from Satan, but some do. I always felt more like it was a gift from God, I can't really see how it is used for evil. That is however why some people insist on using the term dousing, rather than witching, because 'witching' emplies witchcraft and evil forces while 'dousing' does not.

Re: Witching water [Re: Vinke] #7318611
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Y'all ever hear that if you're looking for graves that the wires will cross on a man's grave and swing wide on a woman's?

Re: Witching water [Re: James] #7318643
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Originally Posted by James
Until someone can explain the science behind it, I'm a skeptic.

Plus, if you go down deep enough, you'll find water almost everywhere. Often if you pay attention to the terrain, it will tell you where water is likely to be.

Not calling anyone a fraud, just saying I'm a doubter.

Jim

JIm! We must be brothers from another confused transgender binary mother!
I concur completely, and I am not cringing at the thought of it. Weird.

Re: Witching water [Re: Vinke] #7318645
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LOL!

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Re: Witching water [Re: Vinke] #7318716
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I've seen dousing done. Not sure I believe it but maybe. I still think it's most likely our own subconscious recognizing some sort of clues.

I understand that a positive hit results in wires crossing or a stick twitching down. For those who have done it: how is depth and flow rate determined.


-Ryan
Re: Witching water [Re: loosegoose] #7318758
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
Originally Posted by bowhunter27295
I use coat hangers. Works quite well. Bend two long pieces in an L.

Key on this is to let the L hang on your hand with zero resistance. You have to walk slowly so they will stay in your hand. They should be almost balanced. I will try to describe how to hold them

The actual bend angle of the L will be slightly above the inside crease bend of the first knuckle of your middle finger. The rod will rest in this crease.

The short side of the L will be against the palm of your hand. The meaty side of your hand under your thumb.

Your wrists will be bent backward quite a bit to be able to provide a fulcrum point between your middle finger and palm of your hand.

Your middle finger will be bent in and all your other fingers will be bent out.

You will have to find the balancing point. That is why you will be walking slow. It will also allow the rods to swing freely. You must have zero friction or resistance on the rods.

Walk across a cup of water to test it. Walk slowly as you will have to adjust your grip as the rods cross together.

It will take practice. It will also pick up electric lines and other lines with a charge or that are metallic.

If I can do it, anyone can. I helped a neighbor find his water line and leak in his yard. Dug down to the leak exactly where it was. They thought it was magic. LOL!!!

Is it possible that you unconsciously move the rods yourself when testing over a glass of water?
Is it possible that you found the leak because you unconsciously noted a wet or soft spot in the ground, or perhaps the grass was just a little bit greener, and you unconsciously moved the rods yourself without realizing it?


Well goose, all I will say is I have given you as exact of instruction as I know as to how to use these wires. Why don't you go try it and get back to us? Once I did it correct the first time, I couldn't believe what was happening. No magic, no purposeful moving of the wires, no joke. It worked.

So, give it try and prove it wrong or prove it right. You have the ball now.


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Let me explain further how it happened in my office.

I was witching in a building and went over a sewer line. Explain to me how I would purposely cross sticks over a sewer line that I had no idea was there.

To prove it to myself, I did it again with my eyes closed. It worked again.

Goose you know I am a man of science. It worked and I can't explain it.

Get someone who knows how to douse and get them to do it on your property. Septic lines, water lines, electric lines.

Prove it wrong before you say it's wrong.


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Re: Witching water [Re: Vinke] #7318805
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So ...to get this Straight

You will find water

But could hit unmarked utility lines or A Body?


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