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Re: Witching water [Re: trapdog1] #7317925
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Originally Posted by trapdog1
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It's pseudoscience at best. It's caused by ideomotor response.... you're unconsciously moving the sticks yourself, not due to any outside force. Multiple studies have shown that it's no better than random chance.


So if I witch a previously unknown water line I somehow subconsciously already know it's there? Huh.

You're unconsciously using clues around you......tell tale marks in the terrain, essentially. You're doing it without even knowing it.

Re: Witching water [Re: Vinke] #7317929
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Re: Witching water [Re: Vinke] #7317930
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I was a doubter until I was blindfolded and held a pair of braising rods bent at 90 degrees. Was led around a yard and the rods pointed at each other when I was over an axe on the ground. Also found a cast iron drain pipe a few minutes later.

Hard to accept that iron and water would do the same things, but it seems to.

Re: Witching water [Re: charles] #7317935
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Originally Posted by charles
I was a doubter until I was blindfolded and held a pair of braising rods bent at 90 degrees. Was led around a yard and the rods pointed at each other when I was over an axe on the ground. Also found a cast iron drain pipe a few minutes later.

Hard to accept that iron and water would do the same things, but it seems to.


Yup. I don't know why it works, but it does. That's good enough for me.

Re: Witching water [Re: Vinke] #7317943
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Must be the season of the witch


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Re: Witching water [Re: charles] #7317956
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Originally Posted by charles
I was a doubter until I was blindfolded and held a pair of braising rods bent at 90 degrees. Was led around a yard and the rods pointed at each other when I was over an axe on the ground. Also found a cast iron drain pipe a few minutes later.

Hard to accept that iron and water would do the same things, but it seems to.

Did you already know the location of the axe? Did you see the axe before you were blindfolded?

Re: Witching water [Re: loosegoose] #7318058
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
It's pseudoscience at best. It's caused by ideomotor response.... you're unconsciously moving the sticks yourself, not due to any outside force. Multiple studies have shown that it's no better than random chance.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But I'll simply say this is one topic that is proven true ...... to me anyway. I purchased an acreage back in 2015. I needed to find the water line to disconnect an old house and hook up a hydrant and my cabin. I knew where the shut off from the neighboring towns supply was (1/4th mile away) and where the house was. If I would of dug from where I thought the line should be I'd still be looking and digging. The line zigged and zagged and curved a bunch ..... probably by at least 100 foot. I took my wires and found the exact spot where I needed to dig. Took a spade and sand shovel and a couple hours later I was standing in a 5 1/2 foot deep hole with the line at my feet. I never been on that acreage before and no one ever told me where the line was. Just knew it was somewhere under the ground. Sometimes you just can't explain everything !!


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Re: Witching water [Re: Vinke] #7318069
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I never tried with water, but using 2 bent coat hangers I've "found" cesspool pipes, and buried electric lines... read about it and decided to try.... it works, and I think most people can do it, at least on the easy stuff.

Re: Witching water [Re: trapdog1] #7318080
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Originally Posted by trapdog1
I do it all the time to verify locates, or find utilities that aren't located. It ain't perfect, but it pinpoints ares to avoid. I use a couple pieces of wire from locate flags with the plastic flag removed and "handles" bent on one end that I keep in the truck.
For those that have never done it, give it a try on a utility line you know the location of. It works!

I do the same thing. I've never tried to locate a well, but works on gas, electric and water lines. Graves also. Doesn't matter to me if folks don't believe it, it works for me, that's all I care about

Re: Witching water [Re: Vinke] #7318101
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Peach tree limbs were very popular for witching where I grew up.
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Re: Witching water [Re: bowhunter27295] #7318130
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Originally Posted by bowhunter27295
I use coat hangers. Works quite well. Bend two long pieces in an L.

Key on this is to let the L hang on your hand with zero resistance. You have to walk slowly so they will stay in your hand. They should be almost balanced. I will try to describe how to hold them

The actual bend angle of the L will be slightly above the inside crease bend of the first knuckle of your middle finger. The rod will rest in this crease.

The short side of the L will be against the palm of your hand. The meaty side of your hand under your thumb.

Your wrists will be bent backward quite a bit to be able to provide a fulcrum point between your middle finger and palm of your hand.

Your middle finger will be bent in and all your other fingers will be bent out.

You will have to find the balancing point. That is why you will be walking slow. It will also allow the rods to swing freely. You must have zero friction or resistance on the rods.

Walk across a cup of water to test it. Walk slowly as you will have to adjust your grip as the rods cross together.

It will take practice. It will also pick up electric lines and other lines with a charge or that are metallic.

If I can do it, anyone can. I helped a neighbor find his water line and leak in his yard. Dug down to the leak exactly where it was. They thought it was magic. LOL!!!

Is it possible that you unconsciously move the rods yourself when testing over a glass of water?
Is it possible that you found the leak because you unconsciously noted a wet or soft spot in the ground, or perhaps the grass was just a little bit greener, and you unconsciously moved the rods yourself without realizing it?

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Re: Witching water [Re: Vinke] #7318150
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Plenty of people (even on this thread) who have witched lines that they didn't even know was there, on ground they had never been on, that had been in the ground so long there was zero physical evidence as to its location. I've done it and it works even when doubted it was real.

Re: Witching water [Re: Vinke] #7318176
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I knew an old fella that used his pocket watch to find water. I knew him well enough not to doubt him.


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Re: Witching water [Re: Vinke] #7318191
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Isn't witching water practicing magic, which the Bible somewhere (I forget where) attributes to Satan?

Isn't that why they used to burn or drown witches?

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Re: Witching water [Re: loosegoose] #7318199
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
Originally Posted by bowhunter27295
I use coat hangers. Works quite well. Bend two long pieces in an L.

Key on this is to let the L hang on your hand with zero resistance. You have to walk slowly so they will stay in your hand. They should be almost balanced. I will try to describe how to hold them

The actual bend angle of the L will be slightly above the inside crease bend of the first knuckle of your middle finger. The rod will rest in this crease.

The short side of the L will be against the palm of your hand. The meaty side of your hand under your thumb.

Your wrists will be bent backward quite a bit to be able to provide a fulcrum point between your middle finger and palm of your hand.

Your middle finger will be bent in and all your other fingers will be bent out.

You will have to find the balancing point. That is why you will be walking slow. It will also allow the rods to swing freely. You must have zero friction or resistance on the rods.

Walk across a cup of water to test it. Walk slowly as you will have to adjust your grip as the rods cross together.

It will take practice. It will also pick up electric lines and other lines with a charge or that are metallic.

If I can do it, anyone can. I helped a neighbor find his water line and leak in his yard. Dug down to the leak exactly where it was. They thought it was magic. LOL!!!

Is it possible that you unconsciously move the rods yourself when testing over a glass of water?
Is it possible that you found the leak because you unconsciously noted a wet or soft spot in the ground, or perhaps the grass was just a little bit greener, and you unconsciously moved the rods yourself without realizing it?


Seriously?

Re: Witching water [Re: James] #7318214
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Originally Posted by James
Isn't witching water practicing magic, which the Bible somewhere (I forget where) attributes to Satan?

Isn't that why they used to burn or drown witches?

Jim

I believe at one time you were right and probably still is to some. It's just some energy force that we don't understand. As a Christian that has the Holy Spirit with him I doubt Satan could or would use me to find underground lines.

Re: Witching water [Re: Vinke] #7318218
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I doubt the water-witching-Satan thing would hold up in court.


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Re: Witching water [Re: Yes sir] #7318342
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Originally Posted by Yes sir
Originally Posted by James
Isn't witching water practicing magic, which the Bible somewhere (I forget where) attributes to Satan?

Isn't that why they used to burn or drown witches?

Jim

I believe at one time you were right and probably still is to some. It's just some energy force that we don't understand. As a Christian that has the Holy Spirit with him I doubt Satan could or would use me to find underground lines.


Some "energy force" that attracts to non-metallic objects, plus iron, plus water?

Which can't be reproduced or tested in the lab?

Sorry, I took too many science courses in school.

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Re: Witching water [Re: Vinke] #7318376
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Well, just because pain doesn't show up on an X-Ray, MRI, or CT Scan doesn't mean it isn't there. :-)


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Re: Witching water [Re: Vinke] #7318383
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James are you saying science has discovered everything there is to know. Because if your not then your statement above is blatantly flawed at the simplest level. As far a witching goes I've done it, it works whether you or I can explain it.

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