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Re: Non Binary? [Re: 330 Belisle] #7318883
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Re: Non Binary? [Re: 330 Belisle] #7318905
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Re: Non Binary? [Re: Boco] #7318911
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Originally Posted by Boco
Originally Posted by adam m
Nice and simply stated Mark.
James, see photo of Matthew 19:12 (eunuchs= "genderless")
I'm not forcing it on you rather just trying to help you understand. Years ago I had the same attitude and questions towards my oldest brother. A few short years later I gave up and finally "accepted" the amazing gift that God gave.
I know where I stand and will stand in the future.

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All you religious fanatics should make yourselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven.

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Re: Non Binary? [Re: Blaine County] #7318918
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Originally Posted by Blaine County
Originally Posted by James
Intolerance deserves criticism.

Jim


"Deserves criticism" is what gave us cancel culture.

Tolerance for beliefs does work both ways.



"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue." -Barry Goldwater


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Heard once nightcrawlers and angleworms are non-binary or either/or


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Re: Non Binary? [Re: jeff karsten] #7318928
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Originally Posted by jeff karsten
Heard once nightcrawlers and angleworms are non-binary or either/or


Yes and some snails, slugs, whelks, shrimp, fish etc...a trait not altogether uncommon in lower life forms....


you can vote your way into socialism, but you will have to shoot your way out.
Re: Non Binary? [Re: drasselt] #7319022
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Originally Posted by drasselt
Originally Posted by jeff karsten
Heard once nightcrawlers and angleworms are non-binary or either/or


Yes and some snails, slugs, whelks, shrimp, fish etc...a trait not altogether uncommon in lower life forms....


And sometimes in higher life forms, including humans.

What sex would you insist someone born without genitals adopt? Just to make you more comfortable.

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Re: Non Binary? [Re: 330 Belisle] #7319024
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"You're making some big assumptions, I just ask a question." - Leftlane

Fair enough. But when I ask a question, I'm accused of being disingenuous.

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Re: Non Binary? [Re: 330 Belisle] #7319034
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Originally Posted by James
[quote=drasselt

Yes and some snails, slugs, whelks, shrimp, fish etc...a trait not altogether uncommon in lower life forms....


And sometimes in higher life forms, including humans.

What sex would you insist someone born without genitals adopt? Just to make you more comfortable.

Jim
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James once again your are jumping to conclusions on assumption. I merely stated a fact.


you can vote your way into socialism, but you will have to shoot your way out.
Re: Non Binary? [Re: 330 Belisle] #7319037
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Drasselt, you are the one who jumped to the conclusion I was contesting your words. I was not. I was merely supplementing them.

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Re: Non Binary? [Re: ebsurveyor] #7319039
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Originally Posted by ebsurveyor
Most people – including most transgender people – are either male or female. But some people don't neatly fit into the categories of "man" or "woman," or “male” or “female.” For example, some people have a gender that blends elements of being a man or a woman, or a gender that is different than either male or female. Some people don't identify with any gender. Some people's gender changes over time.

People whose gender is not male or female use many different terms to describe themselves, with non-binary being one of the most common. Other terms include genderqueer, agender, bigender, and more. None of these terms mean exactly the same thing – but all speak to an experience of gender that is not simply male or female.


The above quote is mushy. It blends fact, in red, with "woke", in blue. A rare, natural condition, is being argued as the same as Identifying. One is physical the other is mental.


Below, from the Mayo Clinic:


Overview

Ambiguous genitalia is a rare condition in which an infant's external genitals don't appear to be clearly either male or female. In a baby with ambiguous genitalia, the genitals may be incompletely developed or the baby may have characteristics of both sexes. The external sex organs may not match the internal sex organs or genetic sex.

Ambiguous genitalia isn't a disease, it's a disorder of sex development. Usually, ambiguous genitalia is obvious at or shortly after birth, and it can be very distressing for families. Your medical team will look for the cause of ambiguous genitalia and provide information and counseling that can help guide decisions about your baby's gender and any necessary treatment.


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Re: Non Binary? [Re: 330 Belisle] #7319042
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Drasselt, I'm not sure what your purpose for posting the above was, but are you suggesting that a mental condition is less serious than a physical one?

The brain is the organ that runs the whole body.

Jim

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Re: Non Binary? [Re: 330 Belisle] #7319044
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People can call themselves whatever they want, I could care less; just don't expect me to play along with your make-believe world.
If you think you are Jesus Christ, Napoleon or a reincarnated 35,000 year old warrior named Ramtha from Atlantis, please don't get your panties in a bunch when I refuse to play along with your fantasy, and don't try to use the power of law to force me to comply with your delusion.


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Re: Non Binary? [Re: 330 Belisle] #7319060
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Hi, Waggler. You have a strong position there, and I won't argue against your personal right to despise anyone.

But their world isn't make-believe. There's too much evidence that some people ARE born with ambiguous genitalia or a brain that doesn't match its sexual organs.

I think the problem is (not picking on you, Waggler):

The Bible only speaks of God creating man and woman, so you think you know God's entire plan for humans, or else think he is somehow prohibited from creating a human who is not strictly male or female.

And no, I don't agree that someone born with a penis should be able to use the ladies' room. Genitalia should determine bathroom usage, no matter what some individual's brain tells them.

People born with ambiguous or no genitalia should have the choice, but for the sake of the comfort of other bathroom users, should wear the appearance of whatever sex they want to assume.

Those are my opinions, anyway.

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That is a reasonable approach, James. Much better than folks using whatever restroom they want and screaming racist/bigot/homophobe/etc. when you don't agree.

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On another note: At what point does this "gender confusion" make the leap into mental illness? I think surgically or chemically altering yourself to become something you're not probably qualifies.

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Originally Posted by James
Hi, Waggler. You have a strong position there, and I won't argue against your personal right to despise anyone.

But their world isn't make-believe. There's too much evidence that some people ARE born with ambiguous genitalia or a brain that doesn't match its sexual organs.

I think the problem is (not picking on you, Waggler):

The Bible only speaks of God creating man and woman, so you think you know God's entire plan for humans, or else think he is somehow prohibited from creating a human who is not strictly male or female.

And no, I don't agree that someone born with a penis should be able to use the ladies' room. Genitalia should determine bathroom usage, no matter what some individual's brain tells them.

People born with ambiguous or no genitalia should have the choice, but for the sake of the comfort of other bathroom users, should wear the appearance of whatever sex they want to assume.

Those are my opinions, anyway.

Jim

Jim,
I'm not referring to people with a recognized, extremely rare genetic condition called hermaphroditism which results in ambiguous genitalia. I always see this red-herring tossed out there by people supporting the idea that there are not two genders, and you can pick and choose. Those people with the condition mentioned above surely didn't choose to be born with a genetic defect, and should be offered sympathy and understanding for sure.

However, I'm sure you are aware that most of the time when this subject comes up nowadays we are discussing a completely different group of people who have a completely different agenda than those who suffer from a rare genetic condition.

By the way I don't despise anyone, why would I? Life is great.


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Originally Posted by trapdog1
On another note: At what point does this "gender confusion" make the leap into mental illness? I think surgically or chemically altering yourself to become something you're not probably qualifies.



Or mental illness become the norm and a choice. By logical reasoning we will come to point where any and all action becomes choice, up to and including murder.


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What if your brain and genitalia don't match on sexual identity? Which organ should control the person?

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Originally Posted by James
What if your brain and genitalia don't match on sexual identity? Which organ should control the person?

Jim

I'm not arguing that we should deliberately be mean towards people like Bruce Jenner. Even he has said he would not have hoped for the condition he has. I truly believe he feels that he is a woman. I just think that there are (for lack of a scientific term) wires crossed-up somewhere in his brain. Whether it is nature or nurture that caused this I don't think anyone knows (I'm guessing nature).

I think we are being extremely cruel to these people by patting them on the back and telling them they are "just fine", when they know deep down inside that they aren't. On the other hand kicking them doesn't help and only makes things worse.

The suicide rate for trans people is extremely high, then once they get "corrective" surgery the suicide rate skyrockets even higher.
One would think that once surgery is done, and their genitalia now conforms to their identity, things would get better for them psychologically. However, that is not the case.


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