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Re: FHA [Re: wissmiss] #7320242
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everyone acts like its the other guys fault fur is cheap everyone that has produced fur after it started going down has played a part in it and some have contributed more than others enjoy the market your the ones feeding it

Re: FHA [Re: Joe1] #7320628
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Originally Posted by Joe1
everyone acts like its the other guys fault fur is cheap everyone that has produced fur after it started going down has played a part in it and some have contributed more than others enjoy the market your the ones feeding it


They don't want to hear they are caught in thier own trap. That being said, this seems to be more of a lack of demand issue. Supply is way down on many items and yet.......... Supply may be at record low with record low prices on many items. No new markets like China and Russia to exploit like in the late 90's to increase demand this time. Other than the dollar value dropping, I am not sure why the price of fur is going to increase. We will see if ranch mink continues to climb, or if supply will meet demand and keep ranch mink prices in the $40 $50 range.

I think many are playing the freezer strategy. When and if prices rise to an acceptable level ( if they don't lower thier standards) their will be a glut and prices will drop again for awhile. At least on my product.

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Re: FHA [Re: wissmiss] #7320647
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Russians use as much fur today as they ever did.Fur goes thru many countries to get to the end users.
Problems are with covid restrictions,politically motivated trade barriers and trade wars,all affecting the movement of, and access to, fur goods,all thru the supply chain to the end users- creating roadblocks for the people who want the product.
When these problems get rectified,wild fur will spike substantially in price to meet the demand that currently exists but cannot be met.
The demand here locally is similar to other areas like Russia who use fur for warmth in winter-that demand for utility fur has not changed.It has been steady for years.


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Re: FHA [Re: wissmiss] #7320745
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Anyone know what the buyers fees are, per pelt?

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Originally Posted by Boco
Russians use as much fur today as they ever did.Fur goes thru many countries to get to the end users.
Problems are with covid restrictions,politically motivated trade barriers and trade wars,all affecting the movement of, and access to, fur goods,all thru the supply chain to the end users- creating roadblocks for the people who want the product.
When these problems get rectified,wild fur will spike substantially in price to meet the demand that currently exists but cannot be met.
The demand here locally is similar to other areas like Russia who use fur for warmth in winter-that demand for utility fur has not changed.It has been steady for years.



So if demand in russsia is the same explain to me how we go from 2.5 million coon harvested and sold every year averaging well over $20 to csntngive 250,000 away?


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Re: FHA [Re: wissmiss] #7320756
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Re read what I wrote slowly.
Supply chain is fractured from stupid politics(trade barriers) and covid.

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Re: FHA [Re: hippie] #7320796
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Originally Posted by hippie
Anyone know what the buyers fees are, per pelt?


Buyers pay a commission of 8.2 % on the hammer,price. And a per pelt handling fee that ranges from 35 cents to $100.00, depending on species. I have a chart, just need to figure out how to post it.

Most species like fox, raccoon, beaver, the pelt fee is about $3.00. So a buyer pays $2.00 for a small beaver, it actually costs him $5.16. That’s a big difference.


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Re: FHA [Re: wissmiss] #7320893
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So Nancy am I doing this correctly? A $5 rat has an 18.2% commission or .182 xs $5 or 91 cents plus say 35 cents or a total fee for a $5 rat of $1.26 or an actual total revenue per $5 rat of $25.2 %

On a $12 coon there is .182 times $12 or 2.18 plus $3 or 5.12 or 42.6%? The pelt charges may be off as I don't know the exact per species but I can now see why there is a very limited coon market when $5 coons cost a buyer $8.50.

Thank you for the data as it gives more insight as to how fur moves through the system. Also am beginning to see where NAFA with the ranch mink may have been able to subsidize wild fur or at least spread costs over more volume etc.

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Re: FHA [Re: wissmiss] #7320974
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recalculate your formula bbwi

Re: FHA [Re: wissmiss] #7320978
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So it sound it this point like wild fur well be down in price from a season ago on coon especally is what wonder about as the main thing trap for ? I like do some trapping but rember it a very expensive hobby an try make trips count as not travel as much come up with high gas prices an things on vechile wear out , well be watching closely who says anything about my post as at had decide to be lurker an not try logging nomore than very rarely , as this site others, online bully's just lurk an watch every post i make an others not members on here that ppl knowe , wat h I say an time I post an loggin an things an not really like just anyone see that, I really think u should have be member to even look anything on here, such as ppl where I work , some them spy on me

Re: FHA [Re: wissmiss] #7320987
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Bryce - you have a wrong number. The buyer commission is 8.2%. You are using 18.2 %.

Hammer price = $5.00

8.2% commission = .41

Packing fee = .60

Total buyer cost = $6.01. And that muskrat is still in the North Bay warehouse. Now you have to add shipping and customs fees, etc.

In my original post, I said the muskrat handling fee is 35 cents. Before making this post, I checked the fee schedule and it is 60 cents. My BAD.

So if FH sells 60,000 muskrats. The packing fees alone are $36,000.00


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Re: FHA [Re: wissmiss] #7321068
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FHA double dipping aint helping us trappers out.

Re: FHA [Re: wissmiss] #7321071
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I know I am out of the loop -- but have been considering shipping some to fha next year --- what are the fees to the sellers?

Re: FHA [Re: H2ORat] #7321091
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I was using the .182 as the total and it should be .192 for the total percentage of commission for seller and buyer. I did use the .082 for the cost to the buyer. I was trying to get close to the revenue the FHA takes in on a pelt.
Sorry for the confusion and wrong setup. The $5 coon uses the 8.2 and the $3. So the FHA takes in $3 plus total commission of 91 cents or nearly $4 for each $5 coon.
With some coon selling for $1.50 they still take in over $3 moving those pelts.

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I was using the .182 as the total and it should be .192 for the total percentage of commission for seller and buyer. I did use the .082 for the cost to the buyer. I was trying to get close to the revenue the FHA takes in on a pelt.
Sorry for the confusion and wrong setup. The $5 coon uses the 8.2 and the $3. So the FHA takes in $3 plus total commission of 91 cents or nearly $4 for each $5 coon.
With some coon selling for $1.50 they still take in over $3 moving those pelts.

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Re: FHA [Re: lumberjack391] #7321114
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Originally Posted by lumberjack391
FHA double dipping aint helping us trappers out.


FHA may be “double dipping” BUT fees being charged to both shippers and buyers is not new. All the fur auction companies do/did it. NAFA, Helsinki, American Legend, Seattle Fur Exchange, Western Canadian - the list goes on.

Just saying……….


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Re: FHA [Re: Boco] #7321133
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Originally Posted by Boco
Re read what I wrote slowly.
Supply chain is fractured from stupid politics(trade barriers) and covid.


"Russians are dressing like Americans now a days. They don't need big heavy furs. They have synthetics like Gortex. " Quoting Gary Groenewald from the NTA convention a couple weeks ago.

I think you are wishful thinking Boco. Yes they are selling some high end cats to a few rich Russians but utilitarian fur is dead according to Gary who knows perhaps a bit more about the world fur trade than a Canadian bush trapper. Maybe not though. LLL


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So at best, coon well be like last season it sound like

Re: FHA [Re: LLtrapper] #7321180
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Originally Posted by LLtrapper
Originally Posted by Boco
Re read what I wrote slowly.
Supply chain is fractured from stupid politics(trade barriers) and covid.


"Russians are dressing like Americans now a days. They don't need big heavy furs. They have synthetics like Gortex. " Quoting Gary Groenewald from the NTA convention a couple weeks ago.

I think you are wishful thinking Boco. Yes they are selling some high end cats to a few rich Russians but utilitarian fur is dead according to Gary who knows perhaps a bit more about the world fur trade than a Canadian bush trapper. Maybe not though. LLL


Actually I sell to the equivalent here in the north and the demand is very good and has not fluctuated.
People who work on the land especially native people use fur because it is warmer than any synthetic..

Maybe KOSOI can chime in and speak about the russian fur use in Siberia.I bet a dollar to a dime it has not changed.


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Re: FHA [Re: wissmiss] #7321246
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Siberia is vast and sparse, and covers an area of over 13.1 million square kilometres (5,100,000 sq mi), but is home to merely one-fifth of Russia's entire population.


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