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Re: FHA [Re: wissmiss] #7321258
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I thought you guys in Alaska sold a lot of fur locally as well to the fur sewers?

Re: FHA [Re: LLtrapper] #7321264
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Originally Posted by LLtrapper
Originally Posted by Boco
Re read what I wrote slowly.
Supply chain is fractured from stupid politics(trade barriers) and covid.


"Russians are dressing like Americans now a days. They don't need big heavy furs. They have synthetics like Gortex. " Quoting Gary Groenewald from the NTA convention a couple weeks ago.

I think you are wishful thinking Boco. Yes they are selling some high end cats to a few rich Russians but utilitarian fur is dead according to Gary who knows perhaps a bit more about the world fur trade than a Canadian bush trapper. Maybe not though. LLL


In reality, like Boco said, Russians are still into fur, nearly EVERYONE at the least has a fur hat. And it's not just the wealthy. BTW, they don't give a rat's tail about animal rights and nonsense like that.

If you want to sell anything to Russians, just tie Adidas to it somehow.
Maybe we could shear our beaver something like this.

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Re: FHA [Re: wissmiss] #7321307
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Originally Posted by wissmiss
Originally Posted by hippie
Anyone know what the buyers fees are, per pelt?


Buyers pay a commission of 8.2 % on the hammer,price. And a per pelt handling fee that ranges from 35 cents to $100.00, depending on species. I have a chart, just need to figure out how to post it.

Most species like fox, raccoon, beaver, the pelt fee is about $3.00. So a buyer pays $2.00 for a small beaver, it actually costs him $5.16. That’s a big difference.


Thank you.

Re: FHA [Re: wissmiss] #7321325
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Originally Posted by wissmiss
Originally Posted by lumberjack391
FHA double dipping aint helping us trappers out.


FHA may be “double dipping” BUT fees being charged to both shippers and buyers is not new. All the fur auction companies do/did it. NAFA, Helsinki, American Legend, Seattle Fur Exchange, Western Canadian - the list goes on.

Just saying……….

I never knew they charged the buyers and that it was that much. I always asked myself why someone wouldnt buy an xxxl coon for 3 bucks.....welll it aint 3 bucks,

Re: FHA [Re: wissmiss] #7321374
08/04/21 08:03 AM
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The math does not add up. Back in the 70s and 80s Russians bought coon. Lots of coon. In 2010 they started buying a bunch again. Until Chinese women start wearing fur as a utility type clothing, fur is done. There are synthetics that are warmer than fur and out last it. I don't like it but I am not sticking my head in the sand like some have. Keep sending fur to the auctions. Surely that will help. LLL


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Re: FHA [Re: wissmiss] #7321419
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^^^^^^^
I have never worn anything warmer than fur; and I'm a big fan of synthetics.


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Re: FHA [Re: wissmiss] #7321447
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Fur is warmer than synthetics, and will probably last longer.

Re: FHA [Re: wissmiss] #7321451
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so wissmiss why do you buy at the auction why not buy from trappers its always slayed me when coons got less than ten dollars i had a lot of guys tell me you can have them if thats all their worth i will throw them in the ditch first when other guys think they can get rich on them i never took any free coon id tell them to destroy them in hopes a lot more would do the same but theres always coons being offered for sale no matter what price

Re: FHA [Re: LLtrapper] #7321483
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Originally Posted by LLtrapper
The math does not add up. Back in the 70s and 80s Russians bought coon. Lots of coon. In 2010 they started buying a bunch again. Until Chinese women start wearing fur as a utility type clothing, fur is done. There are synthetics that are warmer than fur and out last it. I don't like it but I am not sticking my head in the sand like some have. Keep sending fur to the auctions. Surely that will help. LLL


You sure we were selling coon to the Soviet Union? I thought the 70's and 80's fur market was the U.S.A. and Europe. The market was much deeper during the boom and you couldn't flood it. Harvest of most furbearers were at peaks with peak prices. 2010 harvests were still meager with nowhere near the coon prices in real dollars as during the boom. Russians like fur, but have no money. Since the Ukrane reprisal thier money is half valued against the dollar. A solid market requires a lot of people with a lot of money in a cold environment. The U.S. and Europe meet these requirements.


"The Soviet currency (ruble) was non-convertible after 1932 (when trade in gold-convertible chervonets, introduced by Lenin in the New Economic Policy years, was suspended) until the late 1980s. It was impossible (both for citizens and state-owned businesses) to freely buy or sell foreign currency even though the "exchange rate" was set and published regularly. Buying or selling foreign currency on a black market was a serious crime until the late 1980s. Individuals who were paid from abroad (for example writers whose books were published abroad) normally had to spend their currency in a foreign-currency-only chain of state-owned Beryozka ("Birch-tree") stores. Once a free conversion of currency was allowed, the exchange rate plummeted from its official values by almost a factor of 10."

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Re: FHA [Re: wissmiss] #7321505
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"A good mink coat, for example, which could be bought for $3,000 in the 1960's, today carries a retail pricetag of more than $5,000. Wholesale prices of such furs as raccoon, Canadian lynx and Russian sable have doubled and, in some cases, tripled in the last four or five years.

A good‐quality raccoon coat that might have sold for $1,000 in the mid1970's, today retails at $3,000 and more. A sable coat can run $75,000 in a fur salon, while a garment of Russian lynx, one of the most expensive furs, may start at $50,000

."https://www.nytimes.com/1978/12/10/...their-boom-furriers.html]1970's fur boom

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Re: FHA [Re: wissmiss] #7321506
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Dirt makes an interesting point so I did a quick search. Looks like we traded our wheat for commie vodka, caviar and sables. No mention of coon, but who knows?

United States[edit]
Trade between the United States and the Soviet Union
In 1987 total trade between the United States and the Soviet Union amounted to US$2 billion. The Soviet Union exported chemicals, metals (including gold), and petroleum products in addition to fur skins, alcoholic beverages, and fish products to the United States and received agricultural goods—mostly grain—and industrial equipment in return. The value of exports to the Soviet Union in 1987 amounted to US$1.5 billion, three-quarters of which consisted of agricultural products and one-quarter industrial equipment.[1]

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you can vote your way into socialism, but you will have to shoot your way out.
Re: FHA [Re: wissmiss] #7321517
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I traveled to France in the fall of 1978 and the amount of fur being worn on the street was astounding. I recall western Germany being a huge player as well and who drove the gray fox market during those years.

From what I hear the do-gooders have done away with those markets, as they have here. We now depend on China, Russia and other eastern block countries that have no money. I remember for years (after the supposed fall of communism) we were told that Russia would become a huge buyer of our fur once their people started to have disposable income.

In the 1920's after the world came out of the Spanish flu pandemic there was a huge increase in wealth and fur among other things did extremely well. I'm hoping that maybe something like that can happen for those areas of the world that still appreciate fur.

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Re: FHA [Re: wissmiss] #7321588
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Guaranteed fur will cycle back high-always has and always will.
Its like the wabbling axis of the Earth affecting climate.Once everything lines up right or wrong you get the ups and downs.And definitely not a sine wave.

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Re: FHA [Re: wissmiss] #7321603
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You maybe right but It seems to me when It's come back It's always of a lesser value then It was.


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Re: FHA [Re: wissmiss] #7321610
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Not really if you look at the entire trade from the 1500.s to today there have been 3 or 4 very high peaks,and some where fur was almost valueless.The fur trade has also evolved and changed drastically back and forth with fashion,uses of fur and changes in technology.There are plenty of lesser ups and downs in between if that is what you mean.

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I still don’t understand bocos statement before how Russia is still using a lot of fur? Where is it coming from and how are they getting it because it ain’t coon.


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Re: FHA [Re: hippie] #7321619
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Originally Posted by hippie
Anyone know what the buyers fees are, per pelt?

When I go through a broker at the auction I'm paying 12% together for the auction fee and the brokers fee, then a handling fee which can be costly, I think $8 per otter and $10 for a cat about $3 for a fox or coon. then a packing fee a customs broker fee for the inspection and to get fur back to the states, and then shipping fur from the U.S. border to me. It all amount to roughly 25-30% of hammer price.

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Re: FHA [Re: lumberjack391] #7321624
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Originally Posted by lumberjack391
FHA double dipping aint helping us trappers out.

That's not double dipping, it's barely paying the bills and wages, and probably not getting it done.

Re: FHA [Re: wissmiss] #7321626
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Russia uses all of their own utility fur domestically.They do export the high value stuff more nowadys.They are probably recycling older fur to do what they can until they can access our commercial type fur for cold weather utility hopefully in the near future.

The fact that Russia(historically a huge fur producer) could not meet their own domestic demand,led to extensive exploration and colonization of Siberia and Alaska and other parts of the northern pacific rim,just as the demand for fur in early europe could not be met domestically led to the exploration and colonization of Canada and some parts of the USA.

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Re: FHA [Re: wissmiss] #7321714
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So it sounds like right now that coon prices an other wild fur the same or down from last season ? China wasn't interested in coon at sale at all ?

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