Re: Just like the days of Noah
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Priorities are always a challenge for the depraved mind.
A bit of deeper meaning in sin has been articulated and I enjoy reading Augustine; These four states, which are derived from the Scripture, correspond to the four states of man in relation to sin enumerated by Augustine of Hippo: (a) able to sin, able not to sin (posse peccare, posse non peccare); (b) not able not to sin (non posse non peccare); (c) able not to sin (posse non peccare); and (d) unable to sin (non posse peccare). The first state corresponds to the state of man in innocency, before the Fall; the second the state of the natural man after the Fall; the third the state of the regenerate man; and the fourth the glorified man.
It must be noted that in all four states, man is free to choose what to do or not to do according to his will. His will is free because it is not forced or compelled from without. However, his will is determined by his own moral inclinations. This means that while the glorified man will always choose to do good because his heart’s inclination is always to glorify God; the natural fallen man will always do what is evil (in God’s eyes), because his motives are never pure, and never to glorify God.
1800 years haven't changed this theological thesis one bit.
Blessings, Mark Have you ever read Luther's The Bondage of the Will?
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Re: Just like the days of Noah
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08/04/21 05:07 AM
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Posco, I sure have. As I'm sure you know, it's a Reformation Classic and it would have been most certain that ML would have been well read on Augustine of Hippo's work. ML argued that Satan doesn't give up what is his unless overpowered by something greater and that humans are not able, but only God can orchestrate salvation. Erasmus was his opponent in opposing the depravity of man (another Augustinian thesis) and predestination which ML held very firm to. I do also.
I enjoy historical theology a lot. Do you sir?
Blessings, Mark
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Re: Just like the days of Noah
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The Great commission for the already predestined ? That seems redundant .
The Great commission for the already doomed by unpredestination. ? Seems like a waste of time ! The doctrines are well laid out but are not called "essential" in the Christian faith. Just finite minds trying to figure out the infinite Who Inspired Scripture is all. Surface level English words don't communicate the Greek text very well.
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Re: Just like the days of Noah
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I wasn't disparaging you FoxPaw. Sorry you feel the need to do otherwise. Greek was the original text.
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Re: Just like the days of Noah
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Off topic but Mark I have been studying 1,2 Kings and after every king they ask if all the other things the kings have done are not written in the book of annals of the kings? Why are these books not around? Were they destroyed, lost? I would think they would be interesting to look at. LLL
Isaiah 51:6 But my salvation will last forever, my righteousness will never fail.
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Re: Just like the days of Noah
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Off topic but Mark I have been studying 1,2 Kings and after every king they ask if all the other things the kings have done are not written in the book of annals of the kings? Why are these books not around? Were they destroyed, lost? I would think they would be interesting to look at. LLL You mean 1 and 2 Chronicles?
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Re: Just like the days of Noah
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What I read about the days of Noah didn’t sound to good. A creater created imperfect people then decided to kill them for being imperfect. Not quick like you would kill a calf killing coyote but slow by drowning. Something that would take days or maybe weeks for somebody able to get hold of something that floated.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Just like the days of Noah
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Imagine the frantic thrashing of a 17 year old woman clutching her infant to her breast trying to keep their heads above water as exhaustion creeps in.
One of the sickest sadistic stories I have ever read
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Just like the days of Noah
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Fortunately there is no evidence such a thing ever happened. The person who originally dreamed up that tale most certainly had some mental health issues.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Just like the days of Noah
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What are you talking about? I whine incessantly about loss of freedom
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Just like the days of Noah
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Thats what I'm saying,not many hardcore trappers anymore. Don't open the post then...keep on scrolling Not likely. The debating is way more fun than trapping stories,albeit much less educational.
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Re: Just like the days of Noah
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So what is your point?
Or is that your way of saying the sadistic god you you worship is real and I should be frightened into pretending I believe ?
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Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Just like the days of Noah
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Are you saying I am dead but dreaming I am alive
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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