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Re: FHA [Re: coonman220] #7321720
08/04/21 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by coonman220
So it sound it this point like wild fur well be down in price from a season ago on coon especally is what wonder about as the main thing trap for ? I like do some trapping but rember it a very expensive hobby an try make trips count as not travel as much come up with high gas prices an things on vechile wear out , well be watching closely who says anything about my post as at had decide to be lurker an not try logging nomore than very rarely , as this site others, online bully's just lurk an watch every post i make an others not members on here that ppl knowe , wat h I say an time I post an loggin an things an not really like just anyone see that, I really think u should have be member to even look anything on here, such as ppl where I work , some them spy on me



Could the same thing be said about those who trap, but aren't members of any trapping organizations or associations? I mean where do you draw the line?


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Re: FHA [Re: wissmiss] #7321746
08/04/21 05:41 PM
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Boco says "Not really if you look at the entire trade from the 1500.s to today there have been 3 or 4 very high peaks" So in 500 years there has been three or four peaks. On an average I would not count on another for 100 plus years.


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Re: FHA [Re: wy.wolfer] #7321762
08/04/21 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by wy.wolfer
Originally Posted by lumberjack391
FHA double dipping aint helping us trappers out.

That's not double dipping, it's barely paying the bills and wages, and probably not getting it done.

Well then maybe they should raise it more in this time of prosperity? Its double dipping to me especially when I didnt know that they charged the buyers also. Honestly, how many shippers knew they charged the buyers? I attend a lot of local estate auctions and most of them dont charge a buyers premium- the seller only gets charged,

Re: FHA [Re: MJM] #7321765
08/04/21 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by MJM
Boco says "Not really if you look at the entire trade from the 1500.s to today there have been 3 or 4 very high peaks" So in 500 years there has been three or four peaks. On an average I would not count on another for 100 plus years.

No one ever claimed the next real big one would be in our lifetimes.But I look forward to the smaller ones.

Re: FHA [Re: wissmiss] #7321781
08/04/21 06:30 PM
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I was just pointing out there has been years and a large number of years without a high price. Some people act like it should be here next year or the year after. When most fur is about worthless, a small boost doesn't do much. I would bet a large amount of the fur that was sold at FHA will be on another sale there.

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Re: FHA [Re: wissmiss] #7321868
08/04/21 07:59 PM
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Lumberjack391: For years now the catalogue for buyers is posted on the FHA website. In the catalogue are posted the terms of sale to the buyers. Included in that are the fees to the buyers. Wide open for everyone, including trappers, to see on line before the sale. No secret.

Re: FHA [Re: wissmiss] #7321923
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Yup I read it on their website.

Re: FHA [Re: wissmiss] #7322025
08/04/21 09:50 PM
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Lumberjack, the double commission is a scheme. They could just tell trappers the whole commission, but there is a marketing scheme to telling trappers the commission is 11 percent. Typical fur business ploy.


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Re: FHA [Re: wissmiss] #7322037
08/04/21 09:57 PM
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Its all money coming back into our auction house.

Re: FHA [Re: wissmiss] #7322065
08/04/21 10:25 PM
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I imagine keeping a large international auction in the black is pretty spendy. Overhead a lot lower for the association sales.


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Re: FHA [Re: wissmiss] #7322070
08/04/21 10:30 PM
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Just in case anyone isn't aware, they charge for drumming and CITES fees too.

I can see it now if FHA charged a trapper 20 percent to ship. They'd be out of business.

Re: FHA [Re: wissmiss] #7322110
08/04/21 11:14 PM
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Anybody who paid attention should have known they charge the buyer as well as the seller. I thought common knowledge they charged a percentage, I didn't realize they charged as high a per pelt fee as they do on top of it, but that is because it wasn't important to me, I'm not buying.

And every estate auction I have ever been to charged a percentage fee to the buyer, I always figure that into the price in my head when I'm bidding.

Now do I think their fees are high? Yeah, I do, but then I know what they are before I send fur up there, and I decide whether I want to send it or not. If they had more competition they maybe would try and cut costs and lower fees to be more attractive, but they don't have that competition right now and if things got too tight for them they might cut costs by not accepting furs that aren't selling for much are having very low clearances.

Sorry Boco, but it isn't "our auction house" it is a for profit business. Is it in our best interests as fur sellers for it to continue to stay in business? Yes it is. But it isn't "ours" we aren't getting a dividend check from them as shareholders.

Re: FHA [Re: wissmiss] #7322120
08/04/21 11:22 PM
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Yes we do ,and it is ours,we started it and the rpc's intrest are paid when money is made above operating costs.Rpc's are not issued during the slumps of course.A decision made by the trappers BOD.
The board of directors elected by us trappers decides where the profits go every year.some years they go into the buisness to keep things running smooth and keep the building in good shape.
When prices were high back in the last peak we got a 50% return on our rpc's if you were smart enough to keep them invested with the company which most Ontario trappers did.

Nafa tried to copy the RPC program about 10 years after FHA.

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Re: FHA [Re: wissmiss] #7322122
08/04/21 11:26 PM
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I have some RPC certificates……wonder if Iam rich ?


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Re: FHA [Re: wissmiss] #7322123
08/04/21 11:27 PM
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See now I saw that money from NAFA, on the other hand I didn't know of anybody except those natives in Ontario who saw any money from FHA.

Re: FHA [Re: wissmiss] #7322124
08/04/21 11:32 PM
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Well you dont know many then cause it was a huge payout last fur spike,like I said,guys had rpc's there since they implemented them around the early 90s.A substantial amount based on fur sales and most of us left them invested.I know some cashed theirs in as they got them but we here left them invested in our fur house and were rewarded nicely.
The board of directors will decide to issue rpc's again when the industry picks up again.
Regardless if paid out in intrest or re invested in the company or into fur promotion,its all for the good of us trappers who own the place.

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Re: FHA [Re: wissmiss] #7322135
08/04/21 11:45 PM
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Hey Mr. Boco... do y’all still have that beer with Sasquatch snowboarding down a mountain pictured on the label up there?


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Re: FHA [Re: wissmiss] #7322137
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... called a kanoke or something like that? ... good stuff if I remember correctly


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Re: FHA [Re: wissmiss] #7322138
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It is a outlet but awful slow especially now with any sales

Re: FHA [Re: wissmiss] #7322146
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