So, Europeans are banned from coming to the US? I didn't know that. You should tell your customers they can come through the southern border no problem.

Interesting post, Walleye, and you make some valid points. Biden does appear to have made the mistake of assuming the Taliban think like we do.

Bush II made a similar mistake. He thought we could bring democracy to a people craving it. Twenty years later, here we are.

Jim

We did smuggle one through Mexico. He had to spend two weeks in Mexico and then he had to test and then he could come. He is not an oppressed refugee, just somebody who wanted to stimulate the American economy. It's no wonder he was banned the easy way.

I think that is a common mistake that we make. We're looking at a society that has been ruled for centuries by inter-tribal violence and a violent religion. Compare that to Judeo-christian view of the world and the rule of law........sort of.......and one size does not fit all.

Some here won't like it or admit it but after the Soviets left, Afghanistan was chaos created by competing warlords. The Taliban actually imposed some stability so that commerce was possible without each warlord 'taxing' every shipment of goat cheese and opium over the section of highway they controlled.
The Taliban took control of the highways and taxed goods once, allowing commerce to grow.
Of course they also imposed sharia but that too imposed some stability ........as reprehensible as we might find it.

Personally, I believe that is why they were able to take over so quickly. People want stability. Some are even willing to sacrifice their liberty for it. They don't have a history of freedom, private property protections, or codified law.

Why do we think we could put that in place in a mere 20 years ?


IMO Biden's biggest blunder............like most all politicians..is hubris. The result we now see is a kakistocracy

I've learned that a lot of the time, you're right in your predictions. But I'm confused. The first 5 paragraphs of your post seem to be saying that the Taliban are the best suited to rule a country like Afghanistan, even if we Westerners find that incomprehensible. And I understand and kind of can agree with that.

But then your last statement is that the result now is a kakistocracy, which I had to google. Google says it's: "government by the least suitable or competent citizens of a state."

The result we see now, though, is rule by the Taliban, right?

Correct Angela. The kakistocracy is HERE . OUR government.

I changed gears. First part was responding to James and the hubris comment was directed at the OP's question

Ahhhhh ok, gotcha now and totally agree! Knew the hubris comment was directed at Biden but still didn't connect that the last sentence was, lol.

I believe he was referring to Biden, not the Taliban in that last statement.

"IMO Biden's biggest blunder............like most all politicians..is hubris. The result we now see is a kakistocracy"

I type too slow.....

White

You are not alone with when you think some societies can't function as a Republic or Democracy
The question is have we lost the tools to operate as one.

"They " gave him a list.
He doesn't know a blunder from total victory.
"They " will determine what his worst blunder will be.
He will take the fall for "their " decisions.
Such is the fate of a puppet.
Who are they?

Who are the "certain travelers" that are banned? Whatever it is that you do, it must be a pretty niche market. Sorry to hear your livelihood is affected by it.

Ol dad

You surely aren’t talking about a foundation, are you?

Man, I wish you were wrong.

The upcoming war in Afganistan is calculated to distract the American people from the Election fraud audit and results there of. These lefties have no respect for human life, or American lives, and will do about anything to stay in power. IMO.

Valid point as well Jim, but here is what I think is one difference.

We often speak/think in generalities. Bush's assumption may well have been correct for a substantial portion of the Afgan population. I suspect there were and still are plenty of women in Afganistan that craved democracy and freedom from Sharia Law. That matters little even if the majority would have preferred democracy, if those in control are not interested.

Bidens blunder was trusting those in those in control, who got there by being the biggest and badest of the Taliban.

Joe would be a good rodeo clown as Bomba was.

That would be tourist. I tend to care more about things presidents do that actually affect me. I really don't care how the nation building program is failing again.

You ought to care, Dirt. We sank over a trillion tax dollars into that particular futile nation-building exercise.

Jim