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Backbreaker shortage and possible solution #7342133
08/29/21 12:25 AM
08/29/21 12:25 AM
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Goldsboro, North Carolina
Paul Dobbins Offline OP
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Backbreaker has increased in popularity so much that I'm not able to produce enough to meet demand. The problem is my inability to acquire enough southern castor. I was thinking about terminating wholesaling that lure, and only retailing it, but I really didn't want to do it. I am between a rock and hard place, if you know what I mean.

The problem is that I'm limited to using only southern castor. That's what works best in the north and south. I experimented with northern castor, and it did well in the north, but not as good in the south.

I had a USDA worker call to order Backbreaker to be delivered to the NY convention. I told him of my problem concerning my inability to formulate enough to keep up with demand. He suggested that perhaps I could use northern castor for use in the northern climates. This got me to thinking that it may be a good way to alleviate the problem I had in producing enough Backbreaker using southern castor. I might try to market "Northern Backbreaker" for use in northern climates.

So, you may see this variant of Backbreaker in the future. Just a heads - up.

Anyone who has northern castor for sale, I'm offering $80. a pound for clean dried castor with no grade.



Re: Backbreaker shortage and possible solution [Re: Paul Dobbins] #7342135
08/29/21 12:37 AM
08/29/21 12:37 AM
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Michigan
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I think it is a good idea and a great way to keep the product on the shelves and in the hands of trappers. If it has the same results for us northern trappers (and I'm sure that you would make sure before putting it on the market) than I will start buying that to help out the southerners.
Thanks for the heads up, Sir!


When life gets me down..... you know hunting/trapping season is closed.
Re: Backbreaker shortage and possible solution [Re: Paul Dobbins] #7342138
08/29/21 12:47 AM
08/29/21 12:47 AM
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Coeur d' Alene, Idaho
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Sounds to me like those southern beaver run for the hills when they smell that a northern beaver has come to town. lol

I have some Backbreaker left from when I bought some from you years ago, Paul. Any idea whether it had southern or northern castor in it?

Jim


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Re: Backbreaker shortage and possible solution [Re: Paul Dobbins] #7342148
08/29/21 01:22 AM
08/29/21 01:22 AM
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WI
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Paul, you might remember my email a few years ago regarding my dream…I didn’t make it up…I actually had that dream. How much northern castor do you need for a batch?

Re: Backbreaker shortage and possible solution [Re: Paul Dobbins] #7342158
08/29/21 02:23 AM
08/29/21 02:23 AM
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Champaign County, Ohio.
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Paul, it's your website and I am sure the members would like to help you. Why not put a sticky at the top, or a banner, stating that you are paying $80.00 a pound for castor and that you need Southern castor?

Keith

Re: Backbreaker shortage and possible solution [Re: Paul Dobbins] #7342175
08/29/21 05:33 AM
08/29/21 05:33 AM
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Eastern Shore of Maryland
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Where is the line separating the castor?


-Goofy-
Re: Backbreaker shortage and possible solution [Re: James] #7342195
08/29/21 06:35 AM
08/29/21 06:35 AM
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Dunbar, Wisconsin
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Originally Posted by James
Sounds to me like those southern beaver run for the hills when they smell that a northern beaver has come to town. lol

I have some Backbreaker left from when I bought some from you years ago, Paul. Any idea whether it had southern or northern castor in it?

Jim

Unless I read it wrong all Backbreaker sold has southern in it. The northern ones seemed to be experimental.

Re: Backbreaker shortage and possible solution [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7342205
08/29/21 06:51 AM
08/29/21 06:51 AM
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W NY
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Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
Where is the line separating the castor?

Why I'm guessing the Mason-Dixon line. That's where it use to be separated. Lol


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Re: Backbreaker shortage and possible solution [Re: Paul Dobbins] #7342209
08/29/21 06:56 AM
08/29/21 06:56 AM
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Firth, Nebraska
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I use it as change up on our coyote and cat line here, and ive had great results on beaver with it when I trapped beaver too.
Northern, souther,n not sure it matters the source, really.
Jim


Money cannot buy you happiness, but it can buy you a trapping license and that's pretty close.
Re: Backbreaker shortage and possible solution [Re: Paul Dobbins] #7342218
08/29/21 07:22 AM
08/29/21 07:22 AM
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I think you should be more creative......Yankee Backbreaker and Rebel Backbreaker! wink

Re: Backbreaker shortage and possible solution [Re: mike mason] #7342223
08/29/21 07:30 AM
08/29/21 07:30 AM
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Minnesota
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Originally Posted by mike mason
I think you should be more creative......Yankee Backbreaker and Rebel Backbreaker! wink

BBBB is Bonnie Blue Backbreaker


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Re: Backbreaker shortage and possible solution [Re: Paul Dobbins] #7342239
08/29/21 07:47 AM
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I say for the Southern type call it BACKBREAKA.....Northern type BACKBREAKAR

Re: Backbreaker shortage and possible solution [Re: Paul Dobbins] #7342247
08/29/21 07:55 AM
08/29/21 07:55 AM
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UP Michigan
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Sounds like a good solution Mr Paul.

Re: Backbreaker shortage and possible solution [Re: Paul Dobbins] #7342268
08/29/21 08:15 AM
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There are marketing geniuses on TMan!
I hear ya Paul. These lure ingredients trials and tribulations are rugged.
Anyone growing red fox glands on a bush by chance?
If not, please start.

Blessings,
Mark

Re: Backbreaker shortage and possible solution [Re: Paul Dobbins] #7342274
08/29/21 08:19 AM
08/29/21 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Dobbins
Backbreaker has increased in popularity so much that I'm not able to produce enough to meet demand. The problem is my inability to acquire enough southern castor. I was thinking about terminating wholesaling that lure, and only retailing it, but I really didn't want to do it. I am between a rock and hard place, if you know what I mean.

The problem is that I'm limited to using only southern castor. That's what works best in the north and south. I experimented with northern castor, and it did well in the north, but not as good in the south.

I had a USDA worker call to order Backbreaker to be delivered to the NY convention. I told him of my problem concerning my inability to formulate enough to keep up with demand. He suggested that perhaps I could use northern castor for use in the northern climates. This got me to thinking that it may be a good way to alleviate the problem I had in producing enough Backbreaker using southern castor. I might try to market "Northern Backbreaker" for use in northern climates.

So, you may see this variant of Backbreaker in the future. Just a heads - up.

Anyone who has northern castor for sale, I'm offering $80. a pound for clean dried castor with no grade.


Sounds good. I would buy the northern version for sure.

Re: Backbreaker shortage and possible solution [Re: Paul Dobbins] #7342279
08/29/21 08:35 AM
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If you do this you need to recruit a top notch beaver trapper from the north and one from the south to have a competition using each variant. North vs. south in battle once again.

Re: Backbreaker shortage and possible solution [Re: Paul Dobbins] #7342280
08/29/21 08:37 AM
08/29/21 08:37 AM
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Firth, Nebraska
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Mark is the low price, short harvest of fox impacting your fox gland availability?
Paul, I was wondering if the strong castor prices was impacting your product ingredient supply. Hope you get a good solution figured out. I'm confident you will.
Jim


Money cannot buy you happiness, but it can buy you a trapping license and that's pretty close.
Re: Backbreaker shortage and possible solution [Re: Paul Dobbins] #7342281
08/29/21 08:39 AM
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jabNE, there just aren't many fox to be had in numbers that make harvest/freeze/selling worth while.
Prices on red fox have gone down of course but the gland prices have escalated accordingly. Supply and demand works at the lure maker end anyway. Not sure how fur prices work anymore.

Re: Backbreaker shortage and possible solution [Re: Paul Dobbins] #7342282
08/29/21 08:42 AM
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Now I want to buy some Backbreaker. Do I need it? No. But I want to sniff it from time to time. You should try to get some Canadian beaver castor. Boco always has the answer to everyone' s problems.


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Re: Backbreaker shortage and possible solution [Re: Paul Dobbins] #7342287
08/29/21 08:49 AM
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UP Michigan
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I know there are books and videos on Gland removal. Some lure makers want them certain ways. As a matter of fact, the only glands I remove are from Beaver (oil sacks and castors). I’m starting to see the value in Glands from other animals. How about putting out a well drawn or quality picture guide on exactly what to do in order to take the glands. From what I’ve seen in videos and books is low quality and im not really sure what im taking.

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