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Racism at the least for trappers? #7345349
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Native Americans are the only public allowed to trap on public land in New Mexico. So your ancestry and parentage dictate if you are allowed to trap now? Sounds really racist to me, we should take another look at race based hunting and trapping issues now.

Re: Racism at the least for trappers? [Re: wy.wolfer] #7345358
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Some of the Indians get free hunting licenses in Oklahoma.


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Most "Native Americans" are whites or blacks with a minuscule amount of Native American blood. People only have to have 25% Native American DNA to enroll in a tribe and most people enrolled, in many tribes have significantly less than that. I strongly suspect some "Native Americans", getting benefits, have no Native American ancestry.

I have had 2 friends since college, who got to go to college for free for being "Native Americans". They have curly blond hair, graying and balding now, blue eyes and pale, white skin. It would not surprise me if a DNA test found they had little to no Native American DNA.

Canada's even worse. Canada gives people benefits for being Metis at 1/128 Native American blood.

The whole idea of race, especially when so many people are mixed race, is stupid. Society should not give anyone anything just because of how they were born. It just causes division and hate.

Keith

Re: Racism at the least for trappers? [Re: Blaine County] #7345369
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Originally Posted by Blaine County
Some of the Indians get free hunting licenses in Oklahoma.

So revisit that issue, more racism there and it cuts both ways.

Re: Racism at the least for trappers? [Re: KeithC] #7345370
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Originally Posted by KeithC
Most "Native Americans" are whites or blacks with a minuscule amount of Native American blood. People only have to have 25% Native American DNA to enroll in a tribe and most people enrolled, in many tribes have significantly less than that. I strongly suspect some "Native Americans", getting benefits, have no Native American ancestry.

I have had 2 friends since college, who got to go to college for free for being "Native Americans". They have curly blond hair, graying and balding now, blue eyes and pale, white skin. It would not surprise me if a DNA test found they had little to no Native American DNA.

Canada's even worse. Canada gives people benefits for being Metis at 1/128 Native American blood.

The whole idea of race, especially when so many people are mixed race, is stupid. Society should not give anyone anything just because of how they were born. It just causes division and hate.

Keith
Yep, that needs to be revisited as well, racism does not just go one way.

Re: Racism at the least for trappers? [Re: KeithC] #7345377
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Originally Posted by KeithC
Most "Native Americans" are whites or blacks with a minuscule amount of Native American blood. People only have to have 25% Native American DNA to enroll in a tribe and most people enrolled, in many tribes have significantly less than that. I strongly suspect some "Native Americans", getting benefits, have no Native American ancestry.

I have had 2 friends since college, who got to go to college for free for being "Native Americans". They have curly blond hair, graying and balding now, blue eyes and pale, white skin. It would not surprise me if a DNA test found they had little to no Native American DNA.

Canada's even worse. Canada gives people benefits for being Metis at 1/128 Native American blood.

The whole idea of race, especially when so many people are mixed race, is stupid. Society should not give anyone anything just because of how they were born. It just causes division and hate.

Keith



I believe it started with the Cherokees. There might still be some full bloods in NE Oklahoma and are some with a relatively high quantum but most of them look and live like white people. The only reason you would know they claim Cherokee is because of their free license plates.


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i wonder if elizabeth warren can trap public land in new mexico.................................

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Originally Posted by fossil2
i wonder if elizabeth warren can trap public land in new mexico.................................

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Re: Racism at the least for trappers? [Re: Blaine County] #7345389
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Originally Posted by Blaine County
Some of the Indians get free hunting licenses in Oklahoma.

The Cheyenne /Arapaho here don't have to have a hunting license or obey and season dates or bag limits on tribal land. They can kill whatever they want whenever they want on tribal land including birds of prey

Re: Racism at the least for trappers? [Re: wy.wolfer] #7345392
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I'm a "White Apple" Native to Here, but non indigenous.

I see it both ways...but the atrocities waged on the Tribes can not be excused, or written off with new textbooks as is the usual case.

As for Now, we All should share the State land in my eyes. Tribal land was never properly allotted and should be theirs


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Re: Racism at the least for trappers? [Re: wy.wolfer] #7345395
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Buddy up in Minnesota has some really crazy story's about fishing rights in all those pothole lakes, not to mention wild rice harvest!


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Re: Racism at the least for trappers? [Re: Davisfur] #7345409
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Originally Posted by Davisfur
Originally Posted by Blaine County
Some of the Indians get free hunting licenses in Oklahoma.

The Cheyenne /Arapaho here don't have to have a hunting license or obey and
season dates or bag limits on tribal land. They can kill whatever they want whenever they want on tribal land including birds of prey


I have an Indian Quarter next to one of my places and have had to run the - off a few times. Mostly they like to sit by one of my gates on top of a hill and throw keystone light cans in the ditch--actually they throw keystone light cans in all of the ditches everywhere around me.

Someone needs to play them that crying Indian anti-littering add from the 1970's.


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Originally Posted by Blaine County
Originally Posted by Davisfur

The Cheyenne /Arapaho here don't have to have a hunting license or obey and season dates or bag limits on tribal land. They can kill whatever they want whenever they want on tribal land including birds of prey


I have an Indian Quarter next to one of my places and have had to run the CnAs off a few times. Mostly they like to sit by one of my gates on top of a hill and throw keystone light cans in the ditch--actually they throw keystone light cans in all of the ditches everywhere around me.

Someone needs to play them that crying Indian anti-littering add from the 1970's.


Dang Italians...

Re: Racism at the least for trappers? [Re: wy.wolfer] #7345423
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The Natives did not take anything from you the White people did, itís a common practice with them LOL


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He Was Pike!!! they said he was the best man for the Job grin


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He Was Pike!!! they said he was the best man for the Job grin


He was dressed up like an Indian, in a canoe and crying about litter!

Lou Diamond Phillips, aka Chavez Y Chavez, is a Pilipino. These things were normal until the world went all Woke.


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Originally Posted by wy.wolfer
Native Americans are the only public allowed to trap on public land in New Mexico. So your ancestry and parentage dictate if you are allowed to trap now? Sounds really racist to me, we should take another look at race based hunting and trapping issues now.


In 1988 my youngest applied for a minority college scholarship.
She applied as a Native American and the application was returned to her and marked " Wrong Minority".

Sound really racist or what ?


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You should look into, what native/Americans can do and what they get for free. A lot of it would really make you pretty angry.


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Originally Posted by wy.wolfer
Originally Posted by Blaine County
Some of the Indians get free hunting licenses in Oklahoma.

So revisit that issue, more racism there and it cuts both ways.



Old people can get free licenses in MN, is that ageism?

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Yeah, it's the same in Alaska.

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