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Ever think term limits #7345609
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will ever happen? I don't but am interested in how it may someday become reality.


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Re: Ever think term limits [Re: Finster] #7345612
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Not without a Constitutional Convention.

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Simple. You serve 4 years. No pay. No retirement plan or benefits. Just like it was in the very beginning. That will solve the problem. Work and stay in the state you represent. Congress can be held over webcast. Just like they forced business to do during lock down for Covid. The White House chamber etc.. should be turned into a museum. For all Americans to come and see how our lawmakers use to do things in the old days. This would stop investigations. Sit downs. Meetings. Hearings. All the garbage that happens with all the fat cats in one chamber accomplishing nothing. On the tax payers dime.

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Re: Ever think term limits [Re: yotetrapper30] #7345633
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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
Not without a Constitutional Convention.

Arkansas is on board and I believe Mississippi is too. Not sure how many states we are up to now. Term limits, strengthen the definition of the second, repeal the 17th. Would be nice.


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Re: Ever think term limits [Re: Finster] #7345634
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Talked to a very politically smart, very conservative Federal Judge I know about term limits. He wasn't much for them. He said our biggest threat is the power bloated bureaucracy at the Federal level. His point was by only sending inexperienced representatives to DC we would only be empowering that deep rooted bureaucracy more. He said it is more important who you send than how long they are there.

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Originally Posted by Yes sir
Talked to a very politically smart, very conservative Federal Judge I know about term limits. He wasn't much for them. He said our biggest threat is the power bloated bureaucracy at the Federal level. His point was by only sending inexperienced representatives to DC we would only be empowering that deep rooted bureaucracy more. He said it is more important who you send than how long they are there.

That is an interesting take. Very worthy of a discussion. Can you elaborate? I disagree but would really like to be enlightened on both sides.


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Re: Ever think term limits [Re: Finster] #7345646
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I got a few chores to finish but I'll try to post what little I can remember from the short discussion before I go to bed. The short of it is that in order to get change it will take people with experience, time and knowledge to learn, understand and slowly dissolve the grip and power that so many Federal agencies now have. Power they were never meant to have. A naive representative would never gain the understanding nor have the time needed to take that power away. His thoughts were new representative would just be starting the plan over from square one each time. He thought we would just be falling into the trap of the "deep state" if we set term limits.

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Yes Sir why would inexperienced be the same as ineffective? I would expect most people entering politics without the promise of long-term income and benefits would be more sincere in their goals since they don't get unlimited shots at making a lasting advantage for themselves. I could see how if the 2 party system isn't reimagined then each politician may be just a new face with the party pulling the strings.

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Re: Ever think term limits [Re: J Staton] #7345653
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Originally Posted by J Staton
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Not without a Constitutional Convention.

Arkansas is on board and I believe Mississippi is too. Not sure how many states we are up to now. Term limits, strengthen the definition of the second, repeal the 17th. Would be nice.


Repeal the 17th??

Re: Ever think term limits [Re: Trap Setter] #7345656
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Originally Posted by Trap Setter
Yes Sir why would inexperienced be the same as ineffective? I would expect most people entering politics without the promise of long-term income and benefits would be more sincere in their goals since they don't get unlimited shots at making a lasting advantage for themselves. I could see how if the 2 party system isn't reimagined then each politician may be just a new face with the party pulling the strings.

He got pretty deep pretty fast and it was a short conversation so I don't remember it all but I'll just say look at what the system did to Trump for 4 years. They didn't stop him completely but they kept him busy on a pretty short rope for 4 years.

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YT, I don't know if that's part of the plan but I sure would like to see it happen. Imagine if the state legislatures once again chose the Senators. Conservatives would control the senate for a long time if the majority of state legislatures remained conservative as now. That's how country folk beat big city control.

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Originally Posted by J Staton
YT, I don't know if that's part of the plan but I sure would like to see it happen. Imagine if the state legislatures once again chose the Senators. Conservatives would control the senate for a long time if the majority of state legislatures remained conservative as now. That's how country folk beat big city control.

Ive heard this discussion and it's worth paying heed to and thinking about.

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congress is not likely to vote for term limits but they will probably vote for more $ and benefits for themselves....pigs @ the trough.


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Re: Ever think term limits [Re: Yes sir] #7345662
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Originally Posted by Yes sir
Originally Posted by J Staton
YT, I don't know if that's part of the plan but I sure would like to see it happen. Imagine if the state legislatures once again chose the Senators. Conservatives would control the senate for a long time if the majority of state legislatures remained conservative as now. That's how country folk beat big city control.

Ive heard this discussion and it's worth paying heed to and thinking about.


Interesting, I'd not heard about it. I live in a red enough state that we elect red senators but it's an interesting concept for sure.

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Originally Posted by Yes sir
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Yes Sir why would inexperienced be the same as ineffective? I would expect most people entering politics without the promise of long-term income and benefits would be more sincere in their goals since they don't get unlimited shots at making a lasting advantage for themselves. I could see how if the 2 party system isn't reimagined then each politician may be just a new face with the party pulling the strings.

He got pretty deep pretty fast and it was a short conversation so I don't remember it all but I'll just say look at what the system did to Trump for 4 years. They didn't stop him completely but they kept him busy on a pretty short rope for 4 years.

I think Trump's failure to clean house in the different agencies that he had control over is what hurt him the worst. He could have done a lot more to rid us of the deep state but didn't. I don't understand why and looking back I'm sure he sees that.
As far as term limits, I'm all for them, but it will never happen. Once any politician gets in his main objective is reelection, everything else is secondary to keeping him in office.

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I think Trump's failure to clean house in the different agencies that he had control over is what hurt him the worst. He could have done a lot more to rid us of the deep state but didn't. I don't understand why and looking back I'm sure he sees that.
As far as term limits, I'm all for them, but it will never happen. Once any politician gets in his main objective is reelection, everything else is secondary to keeping him in office.
I fail to understand your argument. How was Trump supposed to "clean house" other than exposing these hacks for what they were which he did on a regular basis. He didn't have the power to put them in chains. What else should he have done? how would you have done better?


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Trump underestimated how bad it really was.....it is so bad it makes the tali look like boyscouts cub scouts.


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It was shortly after Trump was in office and he spoke about term limits. I'm paraphrasing, but slimy Mitch was one of the first members of the swamp to basically say over my dead body and went on to say term limits are determined by the voters

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YT, I don't know if that's part of the plan but I sure would like to see it happen. Imagine if the state legislatures once again chose the Senators. Conservatives would control the senate for a long time if the majority of state legislatures remained conservative as now. That's how country folk beat big city control.[quote]


When a Newbee goes to Washington, they are told of the process by the Old Dogs that are lifers there. There in lies the problem.

There are people in those offices(assistants) who clue the in coming person in on procedures. Assuming that the Newbee is totally ignorant is folly.

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