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Re: Racism at the least for trappers? [Re: wy.wolfer] #7345442
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History makes me angry, textbooks too

I would have gone back in time to help the Sioux against Custer


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Re: Racism at the least for trappers? [Re: Blaine County] #7345450
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Originally Posted by Blaine County
Originally Posted by 330-Trapper
He Was Pike!!! they said he was the best man for the Job grin


He was dressed up like an Indian, in a canoe and crying about litter!

Lou Diamond Phillips, aka Chavez Y Chavez, is a Pilipino. These things were normal until the world went all Woke.

Iron Eyes Cody. Was Italian

"Whilewhile Hollywood trumpeted Iron Eyes Cody as a “true Native American” and profited from his ubiquitous image, the man himself harbored an unspoken secret: he was 100% Italian."


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Re: Racism at the least for trappers? [Re: wy.wolfer] #7345494
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Originally Posted by wy.wolfer
Native Americans are the only public allowed to trap on public land in New Mexico. So your ancestry and parentage dictate if you are allowed to trap now? Sounds really racist to me, we should take another look at race based hunting and trapping issues now.

There was a thread on this during the legislative session.
Do you use fur for religious ceremonies, practices and other religious activities? We use animals in many ways not just for a profit.
Do you not see that at your view of it's racist that only natives can trap fails to see if there's a trapping issue the natives will be blamed?
I don't want me and other Natives to be blamed when a non native sets an illegal set and gets a dog caught in it? Natives always get blamed even if they aren't the cause.

Re: Racism at the least for trappers? [Re: wy.wolfer] #7345510
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You aint seen nothing yet.
Wait until the dems start doling out all the reparations coming soon to make up for the past rip offs..
Robin hood style-Rob from the rich and give to the poor.


Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
Re: Racism at the least for trappers? [Re: wy.wolfer] #7345555
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I didn't understand what y'all were talking about regarding the Italian guy. I mean Iron Eyes Cody was the guy in the commercial and I was sure he was native. So I go and look it up and sure enough Iron Eyes was Italian! I don't know what to think now. I feel like my whole childhood was based on a lie. frown


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Re: Racism at the least for trappers? [Re: wy.wolfer] #7345561
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Re: Racism at the least for trappers? [Re: wy.wolfer] #7345563
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I have a problem with them being allowed to use peyote when I cannot. I too might like to enter the spirit world.

And I would have enjoyed trapping in New Mexico.

Mostly, I just oppose all of the free crap and special privileges they get. But they are not at the top of my list when it comes to that.

Re: Racism at the least for trappers? [Re: wy.wolfer] #7345567
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DC exactly. It's a much bigger issue than a racism issue. I have mixed feelings on it.

Re: Racism at the least for trappers? [Re: wy.wolfer] #7345632
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The Cherokee (and other tribes) get to hunt and fish for free in Oklahoma because it was a condition of the treaty they signed when they were relocated here.

I don't recall all of the actual text but I believe it includes the cliche lines like, "as long as the rivers run" and all that...

So in this case it would seem they used the fine print to screw the government.

Mike


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Re: Racism at the least for trappers? [Re: Blaine County] #7345647
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Originally Posted by Blaine County
Originally Posted by 330-Trapper
He Was Pike!!! they said he was the best man for the Job grin


He was dressed up like an Indian, in a canoe and crying about litter!

Lou Diamond Phillips, aka Chavez Y Chavez, is a Pilipino. These things were normal until the world went all Woke.


Lou Diamond Phillips is half Filipino. But he's also 25% Cherokee


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Re: Racism at the least for trappers? [Re: wy.wolfer] #7345663
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It's not that tough
We did it to ourselves 100 yrs later we suffer for our grandfather decisions.
A deal is a deal look at what about to happen in world .
It's not a good thing
Victor goes the spoils once we get that straight we are on to something .


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Re: Racism at the least for trappers? [Re: wy.wolfer] #7345692
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You guys dont get it.
Indians are sovereign Nations,they make their own laws they do not recognize laws imposed by the colonizers.
They couldnt give a crap what your government allows you to do or doesnt allow you to do.
They have their own government and their own laws and those laws allow them to hunt fish and trap.It is all written in treatys which are nation to nation agreements.These treatys in a lot of cases are ratified by the supreme court.They have been tested and passed the legal tests,and in fact are now case law.
If you want to have the same hunting rights as the indians have-get your government to grant them to you.


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Re: Racism at the least for trappers? [Re: wy.wolfer] #7345742
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Boco, you are correct even if I don't like special privileges so to speak.

It will depend on what the treaties say and how they have been interpreted.

It's entirely possible that their treaties don't give them those privileges on all federal grounds in NM. I do not know.

If the treaties don't give them sovereignty on all federal lands or if the basis for the exemption is a religious one then in my eye the exemption is bunk.


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Re: Racism at the least for trappers? [Re: wy.wolfer] #7345778
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There should be no exceptions ,none,--if I can not trap, than their should be no government trappers, home owner trapping problem animals should be strictly forbidden.If I am excluded from trapping than everybody else should be also.Period.

Re: Racism at the least for trappers? [Re: wy.wolfer] #7345796
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I can agree with that


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Re: Racism at the least for trappers? [Re: Boco] #7345827
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Originally Posted by Boco
You aint seen nothing yet.
Wait until the dems start doling out all the reparations coming soon to make up for the past rip offs..
Robin hood style-Rob from the rich and give to the poor.

What do you mean, Wait?

Re: Racism at the least for trappers? [Re: yotetrapper30] #7345828
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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
Originally Posted by Blaine County


He was dressed up like an Indian, in a canoe and crying about litter!

Lou Diamond Phillips, aka Chavez Y Chavez, is a Pilipino. These things were normal until the world went all Woke.


Lou Diamond Phillips is half Filipino. But he's also 25% Cherokee


I read he might be 1/8th. Whatever. He's not an Indian. And, he's not a Mexican (La Bamba). That's the point.

And when you come from Oklahoma, you become immune to lots of Non-Indians saying they are Cherokee.

Re: Racism at the least for trappers? [Re: Mike in A-town] #7345831
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Originally Posted by Mike in A-town
The Cherokee (and other tribes) get to hunt and fish for free in Oklahoma because it was a condition of the treaty they signed when they were relocated here.

I don't recall all of the actual text but I believe it includes the cliche lines like, "as long as the rivers run" and all that...

So in this case it would seem they used the fine print to screw the government.

Mike


And they are currently screwing our State with those old treaties--criminally and now civilly. See the recent McGirt opinion from the U.S. Supreme Court. https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/19pdf/18-9526_9okb.pdf

Hunting and fishing will be a minor issue once we see the real impact of McGirt.

Re: Racism at the least for trappers? [Re: wy.wolfer] #7345839
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Lou D. PHILIPS, wasn't the actor " indian" in those anti littering commercials .

"Iron Eyes Cody " was.
Espera Oscar de CortiApril 3, 1904

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Re: Racism at the least for trappers? [Re: 330-Trapper] #7345857
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Originally Posted by 330-Trapper
Lou D. PHILIPS, wasn't the actor " indian" in those anti littering commercials .

"Iron Eyes Cody " was.
Espera Oscar de CortiApril 3, 1904


Nobody said he was.

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