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Trying to help Jim figure it all out #7346524
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Our scribe friend is a deep thinker. In that there can be no doubt.

This Scripture passage is helpful James, when you consider the "grand" schema of God's glorious creation and who it makes sense to. Who can understand it.

To me, the very least of all saints, this grace was given, to preach to the Gentiles the unfathomable riches of Christ.
Written or spoken for dictation by the Apostle Paul to the Ephesians (3:8)

Paul invented a new Greek word for this writing. It had never been used before in Greek. Ponder that carefully James. The guy who literally saw the resurrected Jesus, himself a trained Pharisee and one of the most accomplished according to Paul's testimony, a Jew but also a Roman citizen, who watched Stephen gets stoned and was glad, and who himself killed many Christians.....

becomes the greatest announcer of the kingdom of God to the Gentiles.
That you ponder today.
Thought I'd give you context of why we even know about God from the Apostle Paul.

Incredibly, Paul feels compelled to make up a new word to describe what he must author precisely (being an author figured you'd get this part).
The word elachistotero. The elachistotero is the one proclaiming the Gospel and who will go on to proclaim to Ceasar and his mightiest nation ever known to men at that time = Rome.
How about that!
The leaster will proclaim to the greatest on earth = Ceasar. And Paul is directed by the Spirit to do exactly that. Go to Rome!
Crazy twist of a plot, right?

In English we have less, lesser, and least. Nothing beneath that.
Paul says he's lower than least. He's "leaster."

So James, we approach the throne not arrogant and "let's see what God has to say about this!" with puffed out chests. We approach the throne of the God of the Bible in humble fashion because we too are the leasters. Just like Paul.
I'm a dirty, rotten, filthy sinner and THANK GOD, he tells me why that is....
in book fashion, proclaims each day who he is when the sun comes up and the stars come out,
and Who sent His Son to make all things new.

Pretty amazing that the humble will inherit the earth in the End Times. God always uses the leasters to further His Kingdom. Pagan gods call on earthly kings to do that. Huge paradigm difference here because one is truth and one is falsehoods.

God is typically backwards to human logic, but Iz trying to help ya as you ponder deep.
I'd toss all you seemed to have learned from wherever your heretical teachings came from and dive in to the orthodox (right thinking).
Water's good.
Literally.

Blessings,
Mark

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Earth to Jim. Over.

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Over and out!

Jim


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He's reading up on it...
Might be hard for him to come up with a reply that's just another ?

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I don't know about Jim but you helped me learn more. For that I thank you, you leaster!


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I don't believe James' pride (I say "arrogance") will allow him to even CONSIDER that God's intellect/compassion is greater than his own.

I don't believe that will change until/unless he is faced with a situation that literally (like Saul!) brings him to his knees.

not that I'm hoping for something like that to befall him...just that I think that's what it will take.

I hope I'm wrong and James sees the light (another Saul reference!) without a life-crushing moment.

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Originally Posted by white marlin
I don't believe James' pride (I say "arrogance") will allow him to even CONSIDER that God's intellect/compassion is greater than his own.

I don't believe that will change until/unless he is faced with a situation that literally (like Saul!) brings him to his knees.

not that I'm hoping for something like that to befall him...just that I think that's what it will take.

I hope I'm wrong and James sees the light (another Saul reference!) without a life-crushing moment.


This is my take on it as well.


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Originally Posted by white marlin


I don't believe that will change until/unless he is faced with a situation that literally (like Saul!) brings him to his knees.

not that I'm hoping for something like that to befall him...just that I think that's what it will take.


That's what it takes with most people.

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Originally Posted by Turtledale
I don't know about Jim but you helped me learn more. For that I thank you, you leaster!


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You're welcome.

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Anyone else find it odd that a guy that is a self proclaimed atheist wants everyone else to pray for his granddaughter? Kinda like he’s above doing that.

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Originally Posted by WhiteTrash 88
Anyone else find it odd that a guy that is a self proclaimed atheist wants everyone else to pray for his granddaughter? Kinda like he’s above doing that.

I was thankful that he asked our help

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Originally Posted by Posco
Originally Posted by white marlin


I don't believe that will change until/unless he is faced with a situation that literally (like Saul!) brings him to his knees.

not that I'm hoping for something like that to befall him...just that I think that's what it will take.


That's what it takes with most people.


We sure wish no bad thing for Jim.
One of my favorite profs, historical theologian Dr. John Hannah, himself a street urchin who came to faith at the age or 10 on the mean streets of Philadelphia, told me early on in my studies, during our conversation, that it seems the God of the Bible does amazing things amidst human tragedy.... and everyone will have one.
Dr. Hannah, who couldn't be more humble and is a world scholar in historical theology, came from a broken home (father was a doctor who told his son - while dad was upon his death bed - that John and his Christ could go to _____).
Kinda puts a kink in the argument of those who say folks are believers because they grow up in a home with Christians.
Nope.

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Originally Posted by Yes sir
Originally Posted by WhiteTrash 88
Anyone else find it odd that a guy that is a self proclaimed atheist wants everyone else to pray for his granddaughter? Kinda like he’s above doing that.

I was thankful that he asked our help


Sure glad our Lord didn't shy away from sinners. His trip woulda been a quick one.

Conduct yourselves with wisdom toward outsiders, making the most of the opportunity. Let your speech always be with grace, as though seasoned with salt, so that you will know how you should respond to each person. (Colossians 4:5-6)

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Originally Posted by Posco
Originally Posted by white marlin


I don't believe that will change until/unless he is faced with a situation that literally (like Saul!) brings him to his knees.

not that I'm hoping for something like that to befall him...just that I think that's what it will take.


That's what it takes with most people.



I wouldn't say "most"..."many" is probably more accurate.

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Originally Posted by white marlin
I wouldn't say "most"..."many" is probably more accurate.


Jonathan Edwards wrote a book on revival and he commented on the "distinguishing marks of a work of God" on the believer. Bunyan wrote of it as well. Can't be dogmatic about it but I think they were right.

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The aliens got him. Oh well.
Man-o-man and Dyno-mite, the alien quiz night just got expanded.

In this corner, weighing in at 61 pounds is Marlo. He can dazzle anybody, anywhere, anytime.
In this corner, weighing ???? is Jim. He can. He can. Um, he can.

Ah darn. Let's get started! Gentlemen START YOUR ENGINES!

Jim. Um Jim. JIM!!!!!

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James, learn from "Yogi". "When you come to a fork in the road, Take it"!

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James doesn't want to learn (he already KNOWS everything!)...

he's only interested in threads where he thinks he can demonstrate his "superior" intellect...

and this isn't one of them!

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Mark, if it was aliens I hope when they beam him up the leader comes out and says “Isn’t this the finest, biggest, and most beautiful space ship you have ever seen! We call her MSGA! We are Making Space Great Again

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Originally Posted by Pawnee
Mark, if it was aliens I hope when they beam him up the leader comes out and says “Isn’t this the finest, biggest, and most beautiful space ship you have ever seen! We call her MSGA! We are Making Space Great Again


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