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Re: Bow Hunters ? [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7348594
09/05/21 07:44 PM
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I still have a bunch of 5" feathers and a Left Wing Bitzenberger fletching jig if you want to go crazy making your own arrows.


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Re: Bow Hunters ? [Re: trapperkeck] #7348622
09/05/21 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by trapperkeck
I still have a bunch of 5" feathers and a Left Wing Bitzenberger fletching jig if you want to go crazy making your own arrows.


Some time ago a friend gave me an E-Z Fletching Jig. I will have to try and find it.


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Re: Bow Hunters ? [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7348685
09/05/21 08:59 PM
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Are you still shooting with a recurve? If so switch to feathers they are more forgiving off the shelf of the bow. Try not to grip the bow, just a gentle hand shake.

Re: Bow Hunters ? [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7348705
09/05/21 09:24 PM
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I can't imagine trying to get good arrow flight out of a recurve shooting off the shelf. I tried Zwickey broad broadheads out of a well tuned compound and couldn't get the things to fly. All over the map. Good luck.

Re: Bow Hunters ? [Re: Posco] #7348721
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Originally Posted by Posco
I can't imagine trying to get good arrow flight out of a recurve shooting off the shelf. I tried Zwickey broad broadheads out of a well tuned compound and couldn't get the things to fly. All over the map. Good luck.

I shoot a reflex deflex bow off the shelf and its deadly accurate. Its al about tuning.

Re: Bow Hunters ? [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7348728
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If you shoot veins that makes sense but feather shooter have been doing it forever, we added a stick on flipper rest to get away from the shelf rest.


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Re: Bow Hunters ? [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7348736
09/05/21 10:28 PM
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Aint sure but those is look like a TOTAL disaster!


swampgas chili and schmidt beer makes for a deadly combo

You have to remember that 1 out of 3 Democratic Voters is just as dumb as the other two.
Re: Bow Hunters ? [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7348737
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Aint sure but those is look like a TOTAL disaster!


swampgas chili and schmidt beer makes for a deadly combo

You have to remember that 1 out of 3 Democratic Voters is just as dumb as the other two.
Re: Bow Hunters ? [Re: Pike River] #7348847
09/06/21 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Pike River
Originally Posted by Posco
I can't imagine trying to get good arrow flight out of a recurve shooting off the shelf. I tried Zwickey broad broadheads out of a well tuned compound and couldn't get the things to fly. All over the map. Good luck.

I shoot a reflex deflex bow off the shelf and its deadly accurate. Its al about tuning.

With field tips or broadheads or both. I've never been a recurve guy so I had to Google how to tune one. Basically just what I thought. Cenershot if you have a rest capable of achieving it, nock and brace height and tiller.

The video I watched was made by an Olympic archer and he said he worries more about group than arrow flight. I don't know how you would ever stabilize a Zwickey to fly straight if you don't have good arrow flight. You might get away with it if you were shooting a small diameter lightweight broadhead. Fingers would only compound the issues.

Re: Bow Hunters ? [Re: bucksnbears] #7348875
09/06/21 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by bucksnbears
Aint sure but those is look like a TOTAL disaster!

Originally Posted by bucksnbears
Aint sure but those is look like a TOTAL disaster!


I heard you the first time.


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Re: Bow Hunters ? [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7348878
09/06/21 09:00 AM
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Re: Bow Hunters ? [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7348925
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Don't think it has been mentioned but the knocking point could be off. Looking at the first pic I say high if it's that.

Re: Bow Hunters ? [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7348931
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Originally Posted by Posco
Originally Posted by Pike River
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I shoot a reflex deflex bow off the shelf and its deadly accurate. Its al about tuning.

With field tips or broadheads or both. I've never been a recurve guy so I had to Google how to tune one. Basically just what I thought. Cenershot if you have a rest capable of achieving it, nock and brace height and tiller.

The video I watched was made by an Olympic archer and he said he worries more about group than arrow flight. I don't know how you would ever stabilize a Zwickey to fly straight if you don't have good arrow flight. You might get away with it if you were shooting a small diameter lightweight broadhead. Fingers would only compound the issues.

I shoot single bevel 175 grain grizzlies on cheap easton aluminum arrows with fletching. They shoot just the same as when I shoot points. I spent a good week or two tuning with bare shafts to find what was consistent and not me over gripping or plucking.

Re: Bow Hunters ? [Re: jbyrd63] #7348937
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Originally Posted by jbyrd63
Don't think it has been mentioned but the knocking point could be off. Looking at the first pic I say high if it's that.


It was. It was adjusted along with an arrow rest added to get the arrow off the shelf.

While I can’t get the slow motion video to load, the video I posted can be slowed down by taking the following steps if anyone wants to view it that way.

Open a YouTube page. Search for the video by Hobbietone img0377. Once you pull the video up.....

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Re: Bow Hunters ? [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7349202
09/06/21 06:31 PM
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I shoot 3 different recurves, 2 takedowns and a 1 piece, and a 1 piece reflex/deflex longbow. All are shot off the shelf. The arrows I shoot are a mix of carbon, aluminum, and good old Port Orford cedar. The cedar are a breasted shaft. They start out as a 23/64 dia shaft. The nock end tapered about 10 inches to 5/16. The point end is tapered ten inches to 11/32. They fly like darts with both field points and broadheads, either snuffers or Wensel Woodsmans, both 125 grain. They spine 45/50 pounds. The cedars shoot well out of them all. For the aluminum it's either 2016 or 2018 depending somewhat on bow poundage. The carbon are a little more finicky. I need 3 different spine weights and have to play around with some length and point adapter/insert weights. All shafts get a 7 inch vinyl wrap and are fletched with three 4 1/2 inch banana cut feather that I chop myself They all fly to the same spot I might add with field points and broadheads. I personally prefer shooting wood in any of them.

Paper tuning and bare shafting are totally dependent on form and technique. When I worked in the archery shop we would shoot thru paper using a device called a Hooter Shooter when we were done with the tune. It would take all the human influences out of the shot. This process was used on compounds. Didn't work so good for stick bows. For those it was just a regime of practice and coaching from a more advanced shooter. In my hay-day i could take a bow and shaft combination that was a very good set up and punch bullet holes or cut the paper in half at will. Conversely I could take a set up that was out of whack and after a couple shots to see what was going on could produce a bullet hole without changing a thing. Again it's all technique. Bare shafting is much the same. Never bare shaft using a broadhead. If things are a little out of whack the blades will act like wings on a plane and go who knows where, especially with a 2 blade head.

If I knew bow weight and measured draw length I could be of more help. The spine weights of the shafts you are trying would also be helpful.

Re: Bow Hunters ? [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7349232
09/06/21 07:06 PM
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Sorry Hobbi but with that rig set up the way it is I would say a archery hunt with it is out of the question. This year.That is if you have any respect for the quarry .there is a process whereby a shelf bow can be made to shoot very well with nothing more than hair rest. The spine, length of the arrow ( these two are interrelated) weight of the point also interrelated and the poundage of the bow. All work off each other. I have two 60’s and one 72 pound recurve s that can be made to paper test almost as well as a Mathew Z7 with a fall away rest. Funny thing is one of the sixties shoots the arrows that diled in with the 72# Saxon Sellkirk
Another thought I your bow tillered for split finger or three under.


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Re: Bow Hunters ? [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7349324
09/06/21 09:21 PM
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I got plenty of time.


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Re: Bow Hunters ? [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7349344
09/06/21 09:40 PM
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Thought you were talking about the 10th.


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Re: Bow Hunters ? [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7349545
09/07/21 06:31 AM
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Today is only the 7th. lol


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Re: Bow Hunters ? [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7349578
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So give us your poundage, bow length, draw and arrow length.

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