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Question about rotate tires #7350596
09/08/21 05:19 PM
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I used do this myself an use donut spare to do it an 4 way wrench, no jackstands I have, to much work an hard back an so have shop do it where bought tires, never problem loose nuts at that shop but have heard horror stories other ppl at other shops on occasion with wheels fall off , strip out lugs, etc, so I got home an check them an maybe turn some nuts not all, a half turn at most by go round wheel on 6 lugs, ur suppose recheck torque , I have steel wheels , no aluminum , so I forgot ur suppose tighten criss cross, they did this at shop , so by rechecking an not criss cross when recheck torque an turn some nuts anywhere from a tad to maybe half turn at most , can u screw up wheel with that little bit of tighten by not criss cross when donut an just recheck from 1 lug to next ? The shop tighten correctly an I recheck an tighten just little but forgot to in criss cross fashion , I can't rember what I did last time I recheck torque , possibly same thing , maybe that what do at shop with air wrench , crisscross tighten pattern an for final tighten , no criss cross pattern, just go from 1 lug to next ? Anyone know ?

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Re: Question about rotate tires [Re: coonman220] #7350599
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Your good coonman..you’ve done no harm

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Re: Question about rotate tires [Re: coonman220] #7350601
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If all you did was a half turn here and there I wouldn't worry about it, Dave. If you had to tighten them all a bunch that would be different, but just snugging them up you'll be fine.

Re: Question about rotate tires [Re: trapdog1] #7350609
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Not all but most nuts I tighten a little, if they move slightly I would go all way around an tighten a hare more , not as hard as could but maybe half as hard, could been 3/4 turn all together on some lugs, thinking about what just did, At most probly half turn tighten but not all once, went around it an came back, I used put them maybe even little tighter when I did it myself but criss cross

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Re: Question about rotate tires [Re: coonman220] #7350610
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I'd not worry about it, Dave.

Re: Question about rotate tires [Re: coonman220] #7350613
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Tire rotation is a scam. Your tires rotate every time you drive.

Re: Question about rotate tires [Re: coonman220] #7350614
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Ya the tires really wear on inners on Colorado's, maybe all small trucks, not as much when newer but always wear on front inners an had align before , front end ok, rotate 6000, it is what is end tires, have Kelly at tired now , I like brand before better , slightly more expensive, ones before were close $600 for 4, Kelly's are around low $500, I doubt make more 2 years these

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Re: Question about rotate tires [Re: loosegoose] #7350617
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
Tire rotation is a scam. Your tires rotate every time you drive.


I had never considered that point of view. grin

Re: Question about rotate tires [Re: coonman220] #7350620
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Some vechiles wear out tires no rotate to different wheel

Re: Question about rotate tires [Re: coonman220] #7350623
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Criss crossing is done so even pressure is applied to the wheel causing even pressure on the brake rotor on disc brakes. Helps the keep the rotor from warping. It's not as crucial with drum brakes.

But as mentioned, you will be fine

Re: Question about rotate tires [Re: coonman220] #7350626
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aluminum or steel rims ?

the issue is typically with aluminum rims and back in the day 25-26 years ago when I wrenched at a tire shop we always told people come back in 100 miles and we will check the torque

which meant they came in and said I am back for you to check the torque well about 1 in 10 any way that did come back I would grab the right size socket for their car and my 24 inch breaker bar and go check them all in the parking lot it wasn't worth the time of pulling it in if it wasn't raining.

much less of an issue with steel rims , but you can just check them with your 4 way in a week and you will be fine


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Re: Question about rotate tires [Re: coonman220] #7350631
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I would wonder how much you changed the torque from what the tire shop had them at vs. what they are now after you snugged them up.


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Re: Question about rotate tires [Re: coonman220] #7350636
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as for tire rotation , some vehicles wear rears more than fronts , or fronts wear at the edges and rears wear flat across so on those it is worth rotating

I had 2 dodge caravans that being front wheel drive wore the fronts out in 1/3 of the time of the rear , but you still wanted the best tires on the front so the rears stayed the rears for 2 sets of fronts then all 4 got changed

going around and checking wear , and taking a measurement even if it is just a coin in the tread lets you decide if it needs doing probably does not on 50% or more of vehicles any more


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Re: Question about rotate tires [Re: coonman220] #7350644
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IF your wheel alinement is good and you camber and caster are go and your wheel are balanced your ok not to rotate. When one get out of line get it fist or rotate the tires right away. JMO


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Re: Question about rotate tires [Re: coonman220] #7350653
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Tire rotation is a scam. Your tires rotate every time you drive.


Do your rear tires scuff when turning corners? This is good to rotate front to ear every 5000-6000 miles.

Every time my oil is changed, the tires are rotated from front to back, same side. Consistent wear across the tread.

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aluminum or steel rims?


Most aluminum wheels today are way better than say 30-50 years ago. With a steel wheel weighing almost 40% more than the aluminum,

it increases the need for a heavier duty shock to handle the extra weight going up and down. Harder on the suspension.


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Re: Question about rotate tires [Re: coonman220] #7350667
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Crisscross the fronts to the rear, bring the rears straight ahead.


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Re: Question about rotate tires [Re: coonman220] #7350685
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Ya I always used get pretty tight lugs when rotate myself , just wonder if ok to snug up a little an check after shop, I forget to crisscross , but didn't tighten lots , maybe half turn on some lugs, cant rember if forget criss cross last time , I think shop maybe on final tightness with air ratchet, after criss cross, just go from 1 lug to next with no criss cross

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Originally Posted by coonman220
Ya I always used get pretty tight lugs when rotate myself , just wonder if ok to snug up a little an check after shop, I forget to crisscross , but didn't tighten lots , maybe half turn on some lugs, cant rember if forget criss cross last time , I think shop maybe on final tightness with air ratchet, after criss cross, just go from 1 lug to next with no criss cross


unless your superman and not just a man in his early 60s you and a 4 way if they move without putting all your weight into it tighten them , keep doing the star pattern it keeps things even

if you really want to worry about it a torque wrench is the official answer

when I checked torque at the tire shop I weighed 250 with a 24 inch breaker bar I leaned on it with not all my weight just a good push and if it moved I went around again and checked all of them never had a tire fall off on any ones car , we had impacts that could get about anything off so short of breaking studs we wanted them to stay on

wheel spec on a Colorado is 140 foot pounds

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When I rotate my tire I torque the lug nuts to 85-90 ft/lbs.


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