Re: Shot or birds?
[Re: Dan Barnhurst]
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09/10/21 03:21 PM
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Anyone that thinks it's ok to intentionally gut shoot an animal and let it wander off, suffer, and go to waste just plain disgusts me! Repugnant!
If a farmer has excessive damage and needs relief there are legal and ethical remedies. The deer can be killed in a humane manner according to state quidelines and the meat salvaged and provided to hungry families. "Mind your own business" indeed! This should be every honorable man's business. There are two types of illegal behavior - Mala Prohibita = bad because because government says so, and Mala In Se = bad in and of itself (morally wrong). This (if it was intentionally gutshot - which it appears to be) is definitely the later! Anyone that condones it should be doing some soul searching.
And it's totally inexcusable that the conservation officers didn't even show up. It would take all of thirty seconds to skin back to the hole to verify if it was shot. I would file a complaint with their director. I retired five years ago after thirty years as a CO in Utah - and I just can't take apathy toward those types of wildlife crimes. Done venting. Excellent post, I couldn't agree more.
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Re: Shot or birds?
[Re: Dstone1992]
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09/10/21 03:27 PM
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"I thought about that. Then I also though how many dove hunters are hunting on a Thursday in the middle of the day? Also it's right next to the road come look at it before you head home for the afternoon. I'm just a little upset in the manner it was handled. The one guy said he was headed to shanks for a meeting or something. Well in my line of work if I'm headed to the shop for a meeting and something happened in the field on the job site guess where I'm headed first."
Exactly. I taught all the officers I supervised that they worked for the sportsmen of the state (our budget came from hunting, fishing and trapping license sales) and their top priority was to quickly and professionally respond to any poaching complaint, thoroughly investigate it, and report their findings to the complainant. Failure to follow-up on their cases professionally was not tolerated. I also taught them to treat everyone (even poachers) with dignity and respect. It's very important to earn and maintain the public trust. If I supervised those two officers they would be facing corrective action - without some very good reasonable explanation of why they were delinquent in their duties. I had to fire two young officers who repeatedly failed to live up to that standard.
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Re: Shot or birds?
[Re: danny clifton]
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09/10/21 03:55 PM
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killing deer for crop damage is no different than killing a possum in a chicken coop
It's completely different, not even close to the same thing. I'll just go by PA's laws and regulations but I'd bet most states are similar. Killing a possum in your chicken coop is legal without any government permission. Our Game Commission offer tips on how to catch, kill and dispose of them. They have little to no value as food (unless you are a hungry southerner) and are not classified as game, therefore Wanton Waste laws do not apply. Killing a deer for crop damage is legal but regulated. Permits and reporting are required. There are programs in place where farmers can apply for and receive permits for hunters and/or themselves to use outside of the regular hunting seasons. In all these programs PA's version of Wanton Waste does apply. Our regulation reads; It is unlawful for any person who kills or wounds any game or wildlife while engaged in any activities permitted by this title to refuse or neglect to make a reasonable effort to retrieve, retain or lawfully dispose of such game or wildlife. I'm thinking there was little effort made in this case.
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Re: Shot or birds?
[Re: Lugnut]
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I, by no means, condone poaching! But to get to the brass tacks, the only difference between possums and deer are the value the state agencies see in them quite frankly. Talk about laws and refs all you want, but it all comes down to $. Just sayin
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Re: Shot or birds?
[Re: Dan Barnhurst]
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09/10/21 05:19 PM
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[quote=Dan Barnhurst]Anyone that thinks it's ok to intentionally gut shoot an animal and let it wander off, suffer, and go to waste just plain disgusts me! Repugnant! "Mind your own business" indeed! This should be every honorable man's business. There are two types of illegal behavior - Mala Prohibita = bad because because government says so, and Mala In Se = bad in and of itself (morally wrong). This (if it was intentionally gutshot - which it appears to be) is definitely the later! Anyone that condones it should be doing some soul searching
Agree 100%.
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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Re: Shot or birds?
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09/10/21 05:37 PM
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I, by no means, condone poaching! But to get to the brass tacks, the only difference between possums and deer are the value the state agencies see in them quite frankly. Talk about laws and refs all you want, but it all comes down to $. Just sayin Yep. If they thought they could make a dime regulating possums they would.
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Re: Shot or birds?
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09/10/21 06:23 PM
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I, by no means, condone poaching! But to get to the brass tacks, the only difference between possums and deer are the value the state agencies see in them quite frankly. Talk about laws and refs all you want, but it all comes down to $. Just sayin I agree. I was simply pointing out that killing a deer for crop damage is not anything at all like shooting a possum in your chicken coop. And that is due to those laws and regulations.
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Re: Shot or birds?
[Re: Dstone1992]
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09/10/21 07:11 PM
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Letting any animal suffer a slow death so you have less work is disgusting.
Life sure is tough when you don't learn from the mistakes of others.
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Re: Shot or birds?
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09/10/21 07:37 PM
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Probably one of them farmers who claim crop damage, and doesn't allow hunters onto their property or asks "what's it worth to you?" when asking permission to hunt. That's the problem,at least in some places.I've seen where farmers complain to the DNR non stop about deer and geese in their fields but ask for permission to hunt and its "No"
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Re: Shot or birds?
[Re: Dstone1992]
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09/10/21 07:56 PM
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danny clifton
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Should be illegal to protect a crop from any damaging animal if the landowner refuses access to hunters.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Shot or birds?
[Re: Dstone1992]
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09/10/21 10:01 PM
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You make some good points warrior.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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