Is this a kid friendly topic? I guess at least it isn't a pretty gal at Home Depot!

Heck, we can't even fathom a shame culture of all of human history until the Christianity of Helen, Constantine's mom permeated to her emperor son and the law of the land became Christian at it's core;
Right and wrong.
Good and evil.

The ages old system of laws based on position of birth was replaced by laws based from the sanctity of life from God on High.
Same tenets USA was founded on.

Now today, here we are struggling with a scribe who doesn't even know history and is harping on slavery.
If Christ hadn't died an obedient death and risen from the tomb, we'd all be subject to how we were born.
Our lot in life.

James, you are wound in the weeds and you don't even know where grass came from.
That Tort Law class was built on Christianity sir.

Sheesh.

Blessings,
Mark

Part of the problem is that the bible is one whole book. It has to be read as a whole book. You can't tak individual verses or even chapters as stand alone statements. If you truly want to understand a verse, you need to read the entire verse, look how it relates to the chapter and how that relates to the book. Then look at how that book relates to the whole bible. The path to true understanding comes when you read every word, cover to cover. Only then will you find enlightenment, in my humble opinion.

Here is a serious question for my Christian Brothers. When do you think is a good time to dust off our sandals and move on? When does this garbage become casting our pearls to the swine? Seriously? I know I am tired of trying to teach these people anything. Some never will accept the truth. LLL

I won't worship a God who says things like this:

"As for the male and female slaves whom you may have, it is from the nations around you that you may acquire male and female slaves. You may also acquire them from among the aliens residing with you, and from their families that are with you, who have been born in your land; and they may be your property. You may keep them as a possession for your children after you, for them to inherit as property. These you may treat as slaves, but as for your fellow Israelites, no one shall rule over the other with harshness. (Leviticus 25:44-46"

But God didn't say that. If he was a just God who loves all his people, he wouldn't urge some to enslave others. He would say slavery is wrong.

Now someone will say we can't understand the mind of God, he works in mysterious ways, etc. Heard it all before. When someone offers a sensible explanation, wake me up again.

Jim

Arrogant, supercilious back-pedaling.

Jim

You'd have to toss out Colossians 4: 5-6 perhaps.

And then there's;
Keep your behavior excellent among the Gentiles, so that in the thing in which they slander you as evildoers, they may because of your good deeds, as they observe them, glorify God in the day of visitation. 1 Pe 2:12.

We're not trying to steer Jim and others as much as chat among ourselves.

Alright Mr Dukakis (jimbo), assume you are god.

What would you do with your sorry self?

His name is I AM.

Not Mr Candyman.

You once said you wouldn't sue someone unless you'd make money off of it.

I know which god you serve.

I've taken one sentence you've said, and judged you by it.

Am I right to do that?

I guess maybe in law school.

So yeah, God works on a higher level than you.

Danny, the "we" I referenced (note that I did not say "they"; i.e. the parents) referred to humankind.

Re-read my post.

"we" did in fact choose to introduce sin, disease, death into our world

Why not? You're free to believe anything you want. I don't care what you worship or what you don't. But if your intention here is to change someone's faith, reality, and truths, I can suggest better ways to spend your time.

I agree with this^^. Good post CoonsBane. It is very difficult to argue the reality of the Creator so some people that in their remarks it is very evident they have never read the entire Bible from start to finish. But rather just bits and pieces they have heard and also read to justify their own ambitions when taken out of context.

Not the sin of the parents. The sinfulness of the world as a whole. The answer to why bad things happen is because we live in a bad world. We live in a bad world because since the beginning of time, the majority of people chose bad (sinful) things over things that were pure. God wiped the slate clean when he flooded the earth, but it took no time for humankind to go right back to their evil ways.

Why don't you go to Afghanistan and see if you get people who would volunteer to be a slave of a wealthy family in America right now? I'm betting you would!

Most times slavs are brought up in these discussions in the modern times, the context of the ancients is typically skewed.
In the NT like in Titus, it's believers who are enslaved.
In the OT it's typically to treat those slavs who are indentured to you, God's Chosen were to treat slaves well (a common way to pay off debt).
Context is lacking from flip and poke finger dabbing hermeneutics.

Blessings,
Mark

I brought up the FACT that the bible condones slavery, and that our ancestors participated, that church's at the time claimed slavery was ordained by God, because of all the posts saying we must return to that early Christianity to make our country shine again.

Posts saying without Christendom our country would not have prospered. That we need Christianity in our Government. Not a prayer before congress meets or something but bible based laws. (it would be a hoot to watch scholars argue over what the bible translates to)

I also brought up the TRUTH that religious leaders more often than not have ulterior motives for the things they say and do. Do not blindly follow them.

I am Lutheran, and probably speaking ignorantly, but here are my thoughts..From the beginning God gave us free will, obviously it backfired when satan coerced Eve! Then "man" was getting along ok, until BAM, Noah needed to happen. God promised he would never flood the earth again, and BAM, "we" did it again! So, God sends his son to save us, which he did by showing what the lord can accomplish and also what the lord is willing to endure. I feel like we aren't too far away from another BAM, but who knows, that's why I trust in my God to lead us wherever he sees fit!

Slavery wasn't ordained by God. He was addressing a culture that had slavery in it.

Tell me which country that doesn't have Christianity at it's core you'd like to live in?

Jesus brought up the truth about religious leaders having ulterior motives before you did.





Three strikes you're out Danny.

The late Christian apologist C.S. Lewis described this mindset most succinctly in his description of the dufflepods in his book Voyage of the Dawn Treader.