lol. About the same ain't they!

Doesn't make any difference to your main point, but the prior government, before the Taliban re-took control, was elected. Don't you remember, back in the last of the Bush days, when people proudly showed their purple-stained thumbs to prove they had voted?

Jim

Just pointing out the obvious....

My main point is, there was nothing wrong with leaving, just the mess the idiot made of doing it.

The other point is, unless we stayed, we have no control if they worked with China.

I don't agree we should have left with our tail tucked between our legs. For the rest you are correct.

Jim

EXPLAIN

For once got to agree with James. The exit should of came with conditions and if not followed bomb them into oblivion as that seems all they respect. They should of never been able to access those weapons even down to the rifles and night vision.

We were stuck in a never ending war about the same as the war on drugs. We should of learned from Russia's try ahead of us. I don't think China will have much better time then we had as they don't have a centralized government. If they can't find anyone else they will be happy to carry on with their fight between tribes.

You left off an important part of that post, Oh Snap, and you didn't ask please, lol, but I'll take a stab.

The outcomes I talked about were the Taliban taking charge of the country, and then making friends with China. Part of the job of making an agreement is to predict what will happen if an agreement is performed and what will happen if it's breached.

The only things the Taliban offered was a promise not to allow groups to threaten US security, and a promise to "negotiate" with the elected government of Afghanistan. They negotiated as far as they wanted to a non-agreement. Their promise not to threaten our security will probably be kept because they don't want us to return.

The Taliban have been pounded by US forces for twenty years. Many of them have been killed, and those have surviving family and friends who now hate us, the US. They also hate the Russians for the same reason. That leaves only one world power for them to turn to: China.

These outcomes should have been predictable when the agreement was made.

Jim

When you change an agreement from it's initial form you then OWN it and what happens. I can't see if Trump was still president letting things go as they happened. If the citizens of Afghanistan won't fight for their own country how long are we to prop them up? Last I knew we weren't into seizing another countries assets or annexing them to guard them for ourselves..

Drifter, I agree with your last point. Biden did change the withdrawal date. I don't know how that came to be, whether it was with the Taliban's consent, or whether the Taliban considered it a breach.

Jim

Please!

I read the agreement. I believe the agreement would have been able to, if implemented, would have enough teeth to keep China out of Afghanistan since China is our enemy. The Biden administration is owned by China so without any agreement they have free reign!

Trump cleaned up every mess Biden/Obama left him over there in fine fashon.
Syria, Iran, Rocket man and ISIS .

No reason to believe he didn't have this under control either.

In the famous words of an ex official Clinton, what difference does it make now ??

Biden screwed up the deal made by intervening new actions and ignoring Trumps past negotiating, how that is Trumps fault escapes me LOL, but as usual Democrat's will waste no time trying to blame Trump for something he has no control over.

Biden made the withdrawal his, he owns it and anything associated with it because of how he had it done, not some previous predecessor, he could have waited but he wanted to show he meant business and made the call, end of argument really.

Not listening to any military about leaving the goodies behind probably was not even given to him to make a call on, and his past history of not making any decisions of a forward movement in the positive is well known, This was a hurry up and do job and was muddled right from the get go.

China now reaps the rewards, a new mineral development, new arms to reverse engineer, some new people to watch over which they probably can easily move in and take care of, seeing as they are much more on point about that than either the US or Russia ever was, who gets the shaft, the continued population of the country who will be enslaved by the Taliban as well as China not permitting anything to go on, so they can keep the Taliban as friends.

There is no more bearing on our country , except those left behind and continued to be forced to wait now that there is no free flights in and out, all will fade away in a couple months, just as before when we had our hands tied over there when the politicians got involved with wars clear back in Viet Nam !!

I can't see Trump ever letting them have access to all the high tech weapons either. We house tons of weapons in Germany as well as other countries it could of been transported to instead. At the very least any sensitive equipment should of been destroyed. The repercussions to this is going to take a long time to get past. The Chinese will reverse engineer and find a lot that can hurt us in the long run. The site system on our tanks are far superior to theirs alone not to mention they helicopters weapon system. The missile defense system left at the airport may well be a real danger to our whole defense system. We know it was still functional before our troops left as they used it to down what was shot at them.

It was under control, but then a stolen election.

So if they don't want us to return will that keep them from attacking our soil per say?

Yes, shoulda been destroyed!

china has paid the biden family millions over the years and even helped him cheat to get elected,,,,,why would they do that?hmmm