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Re: Afternoon Jesus Freaks [Re: Buzzard] #7356636
09/15/21 08:16 PM
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I know quite a few JW and LDS, good people all. Misguided but good. No crime in believing falsehoods. Sad, actually.
That's one of the reasons I choose to stay with the denomination of my raising, Southern Baptist, as one of our core tenets is the priesthood of the believer where each believer is expected to know and understand scripture under the leadership of the Holy Spirit. In plain English, read it for yourself and study it. I've even done comparative reading of both JW and LDS texts. I would recommend every Christian to do so as well.

Re: Afternoon Jesus Freaks [Re: Buzzard] #7356639
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I was addressing the group as a whole Warrior, not singling you out....I don't like to see faiths singled out either, people tell us why you believe what you believe, not what you think is wrong about what others believe.

That's operating from a position of strength...Jesus is our strength, strive to emulate him.


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Re: Afternoon Jesus Freaks [Re: Buzzard] #7356640
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No offense, but a lot of uneducated and ignorant people spouting untruths on this thread.

Re: Afternoon Jesus Freaks [Re: warrior] #7356662
09/15/21 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by warrior
JW deny the divinity of Jesus and the Triune God head so by biblical definition they are not Christian.

The triune god only became dogma in the 4th century at the council of Nicea. Nowhere in the bible does it explicitly state that the god of Abraham is a triune god. That idea actually lines up more with Roman and Greek philosophy.

Re: Afternoon Jesus Freaks [Re: Buzzard] #7356663
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Originally Posted by Tailhunter


Buzzy:
"So your saying all of Israel and Orthodox Jews are falsehoods ?"
Tail:
"If the shoe fits."



Ummm Wasn't Jesus the King of the Jews??

So by your thinking he's the King of Falsehoods???


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Re: Afternoon Jesus Freaks [Re: warrior] #7356665
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Originally Posted by warrior
I know quite a few JW and LDS, good people all. Misguided but good. No crime in believing falsehoods. Sad, actually.
That's one of the reasons I choose to stay with the denomination of my raising, Southern Baptist, as one of our core tenets is the priesthood of the believer where each believer is expected to know and understand scripture under the leadership of the Holy Spirit. In plain English, read it for yourself and study it. I've even done comparative reading of both JW and LDS texts. I would recommend every Christian to do so as well.

Good advice. Always keep testing. 2 Co 13:5.

Re: Afternoon Jesus Freaks [Re: Buzzard] #7356666
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He was called that in mockery by the Jews that had him killed.

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Said it before and will say it again religion would be find if it wasn't for people. We screw up everything.

Re: Afternoon Jesus Freaks [Re: Buzzard] #7356761
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Warrior is 100% accurate on what he said about the LDS. Before you were born you were a Spirit baby waiting for a body. These Spirit babies were waiting and excited when Adam and Eve ate the fruit from tree of knowledge.

The universe is always expanding and new plants being made and If your good you and your wife get your own plant who's population is made up from your spirit babies making you the God of that planet. And none of this is disclosed at first.

I guess they missed the part in the bible that said the work is complete and nothing should be added or taken away.

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Re: Afternoon Jesus Freaks [Re: Pike River] #7356836
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Originally Posted by Pike River
Originally Posted by warrior
JW deny the divinity of Jesus and the Triune God head so by biblical definition they are not Christian.

The triune god only became dogma in the 4th century at the council of Nicea. Nowhere in the bible does it explicitly state that the god of Abraham is a triune god. That idea actually lines up more with Roman and Greek philosophy.

Does the thief on the cross not point to a triune God? How else could Jesus, God in the flesh, both be in Paradise and in the tomb


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Re: Afternoon Jesus Freaks [Re: Buzzard] #7356872
09/16/21 07:01 AM
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Interesting thread. Reminds me of the chaplains I work with. Many say they are Christian but by biblical based doctrine, they are not. They are variations of whatever they have decided, just like our culture.
Us Americans, born as a nation from those who saw the carnage of division and divisiveness of monarchies and religion in Europe vowed to form "One" nation under God, which would be "indivisible" in the hearts of the people who formed it. "All" men would be created equal as Europeans fought that men "were not equals" and killed each other over empires.... not really fighting over the God of the Bible (they'd tossed the God of the Bible in the doctrinal sense... that's why Luther stepped up and challenged the corrupt Western Catholic Church).

Darwin steps in and says that survival of the fittest is how humans emerged via apes, and Marx wrote deeper on a similar subject and Hitler bought in, but figured the culling had stopped, so he and his Aryans, the master race who hadn't been culling fast enough would cull faster (for the good of mankind of course) and then with all that crap in history, the hippies, who led our nation as formational teachers, professors, AND CLERGY since the 1960's said toss it all.

Toss history.
Toss country borders.
Toss authority.
Toss rules.
Toss laws.
Toss the God of the Bible.

Keep your spirits (same as the divinators of before Christ. Pharaoh had some cool magicians and you never know when a good magic trick may come in handy).
Keep your persona spirit angels and keep your demons (same as pagans throughout human history).
Just toss the God of the Bible, because anyone (Jesus) who said; “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand" (Matt 4:17) is a bigot in our time, just was we was despised in His time.
How much did the people hate hearing that in 33AD? The Jewish establishment along with the cheers of the crowd traded Jesus, who was not deemed guilty by the Roman governor, for a criminal.
Sounds about as backwards as 2021.

Because people with their sin nature and churches not grounded in biblical foundations don't follow the Gospel.
Those people and those churches follow culture.
It's as old as mankind. (Is it still ok to say "man" in these times, with people being "brights" and all?)

Part of it is ignorance = people don't know the Bible. It is hard to be faithful to receive, preserve, and pass on what was not handed properly to you/us.
As Jude wrote in the 1st century, doctrine was mixed up back then too, "I felt the necessity to write to you appealing that you contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all handed down to the saints."

Part of it is pride = people won't work together for the good of Christ's Body. They think "they" as individuals are the temple just like Gnostics did before Jesus was Incarnate.
Or they think that the Triune God, which is laid across every Book of the Canonical Bible, is not true... just as the Arians in the early centuries or JW or Mormons today confess. Cults all.

Yes, there have been church councils formed to answer heretics (we still have heretics today - especially Arians) and clarify theology in the early centuries, because EVERY time great historical periods emerge, "humans" emerge with great ideas! Early centuries after Christ, the Roman empire was fading and humans began to create gods in their own image and in the 1800's, with great evolutionary, medical, and scientific discover comes once again.... don't miss this.... "human wisdom and visions." False teachings popped up. New revelations from God? No >>>> just humans being humans and forming their "own" gods again. Buried books and new angelic visions have led to 19th -21st century false teachers, just like in Corinth, all of Galatia, and other cities (read the NT).

Since Christ ascended missionary Gospel spreading began by the power of the Spirit (Acts 2) all the disciples had to wade into false teachers in the 1st century as far as what the Gospel of Jesus Christ is, and what it isn't. 2,000 years haven't changed the hearts of some people.

Today, there remains a Spirit inspired Church, and the Truth is still preached according to what the Jesus handed His Apostles who handed the Gospel to their disciples.
I'd urge people to learn that history, rather than the false teachers.
It is available for sincere hearts.
Jesus promised it to the humble, who are not the weak, but the convicted amongst evil.

Blessings,
Mark



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Re: Afternoon Jesus Freaks [Re: ky_coyote_hunter] #7356886
09/16/21 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by ky_coyote_hunter
You can see the weakness of Christians when they slam faiths other than their own...No need to do that if you have the truth.

Everybody has it right, according to them anyway....Self righteous, self serving, hyppocrites.
....And we wonder why churches are losing members.

We have a problem, and it's us.

Well said.


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Re: Afternoon Jesus Freaks [Re: Buzzard] #7356894
09/16/21 07:27 AM
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I saw this quote last night, and like it....

"We need to leave behind some of the agenda based dialogue, and argumentative approaches that have neither achieved the goals of convincing others to change, nor reflected the heart of our saviour."


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Re: Afternoon Jesus Freaks [Re: Buzzard] #7356901
09/16/21 07:46 AM
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The search for basic truth is worldwide, but we define where we find it.
Jesus was VERY specific that He alone is the Truth and the Life.
It's humans that say, not so.

Jesus intentionally taught 12 men, one of whom betrayed Him, who changed the course of human history.
It's up to each of us who've heard Jesus' to decide to yield to His truth or rework it according to our own image.

Pluralists despise the exclusiveness of the Gospel.
Make no mistake.
Literally.

Blessings,
Mark


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Re: Afternoon Jesus Freaks [Re: Buzzard] #7356903
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You have heard it said, what would Jesus do? What did Jesus do?......He loved, healed, praised, and responded to what is truly on peoples hearts.


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Re: Afternoon Jesus Freaks [Re: Buzzard] #7356909
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Baptist aren’t going to enjoy Heaven ‘cause there’s no bitchin’ and complaining about others there. LOL!


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Re: Afternoon Jesus Freaks [Re: Buzzard] #7356928
09/16/21 08:33 AM
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So Many limit God ,put Him in a box and say their denomination is the pure one.

The fruits of the Spirit Are REAL but not all have them.


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Re: Afternoon Jesus Freaks [Re: HobbieTrapper] #7356939
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Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
Baptist aren’t going to enjoy Heaven ‘cause there’s no bitchin’ and complaining about others there. LOL!

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JW, LDS, Methodist, Baptist, Mennonite, Catholic, all in all we are just men standing in front of the world asking........


WHAT THE HECK IS WRONG WITH YOU?!?!?!


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