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Re: 1 Timothy 4:3 Question [Re: run] #7358529
09/18/21 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by run
Originally Posted by Mark June
Some of the most enduring Scripture comes from the time while Paul was imprisoned in Nero's Mamertine Prison in Rome. It was brutal. Dropped you in from a hole in the ceiling and you get your water as best you can as a prisoner from condensation. At one recorded time, 47 believers were held in this tiny space.
We can only imagine how horrible it must have been.

Paul's divinely inspired writings to Timothy were letters of encouragement and exhortation to a young man, lured by the worldly pleasures in Ephesus including the immorality at the great wonder of the world, the Temple of Artemus.
Paul minced no words with the false teachers, who were aligned as antagonists against the Christian faithful.

The false teachers include;
the world
the flesh
satan

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That prison does look rough.


It was a dungeon and you didn't stay (or live long). Long incarceration wasn't done until 1400 years later.
According to early church tradition, Peter and Paul were incarcerated in the Mamertine jail by the Emperor Nero prior to their execution. It is thought to be this prison that Paul makes reference to in the Bible (Timothy 4:21), when he urged Timothy to come visit him (and bring Paul's cloak) as he did not expect to get out until the following winter.

Paul also mentions imprisonment in other letters, such as in Philippians 1:13: " It has become known throughout the whole praetorian guard and to all the rest that my imprisonment is for Christ .”

Paul's suffering for the Gospel of Jesus Christ is the reason many of us know about God, the Bible, and Jesus Christ today.

Re: 1 Timothy 4:3 Question [Re: yotetrapper30] #7358857
09/18/21 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
Wine was wine and those saying it was grape juice are twisting scripture to fit their needs. And even Jesus himself drank it. The sin comes in drinking to excess. Is Posco's verse above, the term used is "winebibber". The definition of winebibber is someone who drinks wine too much

Yes but if a non believer sees someone who claims to be a Christian drinking alcohol in any amount they most likely would say oh well they are no better than anyone else I don’t need that religion. Or think that Christians are hypocrites.

Re: 1 Timothy 4:3 Question [Re: ] #7358862
09/18/21 06:47 PM
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Depends on where your at Artrapper. There is a big difference in denominations and what sin is. In rural Utah a man 50 years old marrying a 15 year old girl for his 5th wife is not sinful but a cup of coffee is.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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