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1 Timothy 4:3 Question #7357540
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1 Timothy 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. KJV
Have always wondered about the reference of meat. Will the world be commanded to be vegan or is meat referring to something else?

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In context these are doctrines of devils

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I think it means meat. But I don't think the world will be commanded that... I think he's referencing that some cults/religions will call for that.


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Originally Posted by Giant Sage
In context these are doctrines of devils

Yea GC that's what I understand. Just wondering are meats in this verse referring to the bible, Tora, etc. or a t-bone?


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After Jesus defeted death on the cross. We are in the last days, Paul goes on to say vs 4 nothing to be refused,if it be received with thanks.

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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
I think it means meat. But I don't think the world will be commanded that... I think he's referencing that some cults/religions will call for that.

I wonder if Paul was referring to the church? We know some churches do that which is in direct contradiction to biblical truth.


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Originally Posted by J Staton
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I think it means meat. But I don't think the world will be commanded that... I think he's referencing that some cults/religions will call for that.

I wonder if Paul was referring to the church? We know some churches do that which is in direct contradiction to biblical truth.


You mean kinda like how the RCs don't allow their priests to marry, or their people to eat meat during lent?


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The apostle Paul is talking about doctrines of christian believers trying to bring people back under the law .through christ we have liberty. Jesus fulfilled the law which we never could uphold.

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one example,yes

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one example,yes

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Originally Posted by Giant Sage
The apostle Paul is talking about doctrines of christian believers trying to bring people back under the law .through christ we have liberty. Jesus fulfilled the law which we never could uphold.

Do versus done.

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like most biblical riddles it can mean whatever you want it to mean

it can be argued he is referencing the gnostics of his time or that it is prophesy of present time or of something yet to happen. abstention from meat is not new. hindu's were doing it before that was written.


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YT I wasn't thinking of the RC's, I was more referring to those Christian churches who allow pastors who are knowingly living in sin to preach the Word to the masses. In other words, worldly churches.

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No offense but this used to be used as a clap back towards Catholics with their priestly celibacy and weekly meat prohibitions.

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Colossians 2 20Since you died with Christ to the elemental spiritual forces of this world, why, as though you still belonged to the world, do you submit to its rules: 21 “Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!”? 22 These rules, which have to do with things that are all destined to perish with use, are based on merely human commands and teachings. 23 Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence.

This explains what Paul was saying. Don't conform to man's mandates. They are liars and hypocrites. You cannot become holy by doing these things. LLL


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It means meat plain and simple. Also think about the time frame it was written in.

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Acts 11:7Then I heard a voice saying to me, ‘Get up, Peter, kill and eat.’ 8‘No, Lord,’ I said, ‘for nothing impure or unclean has ever entered my mouth.’ 9But the voice spoke from heaven a second time, ‘Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.’

He was talking about meat. Specifically "four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, reptiles, and birds of the air." as stated in verse 6


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And Jesus said this...Mathew15: 1Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked, 2“Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don’t wash their hands before they eat!”

3Jesus replied, “And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? 4For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother’ and ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’ 5But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is ‘devoted to God,’ 6they are not to ‘honor their father or mother’ with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 7You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:

8“ ‘These people honor me with their lips,

but their hearts are far from me.

9They worship me in vain;

their teachings are merely human rules.’”

10Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen and understand. 11What goes into someone’s mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.”


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Why are you just quoting verse 3? This is exactly what happens when people don't read things in their context. If you read verses 1 through 3 you will see that the meaning is entirely the opposite of what you are getting out of it. This particular scripture warns about cults that put crazy restrictions on people, such as forbidding them to marry or to eat meat.

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Originally Posted by waggler
Why are you just quoting verse 3? This is exactly what happens when people don't read things in their context. If you read verses 1 through 3 you will see that the meaning is entirely the opposite of what you are getting out of it. This particular scripture warns about cults that put crazy restrictions on people, such as forbidding them to marry or to eat meat.

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This is a common practice actually. Scripture without context. Scripture clarifies Scripture when read for context. LLL


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