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Enormous bucks, enormous lies #7357592
09/17/21 08:00 AM
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Re: Enormous bucks, enormous lies [Re: BernieB.] #7357606
09/17/21 08:22 AM
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I'm a member of an archery forum where we had this young fellow mowing down B&C whitetails on a fairly regular basis. He had half the place wowed with his deer hunting prowess and lead them around by the nose as they worshipped his ability. It seemed to me the kid had insights into whitetail behavior only another deer would have but he came across as just a humble guy with a gift. Guys followed his tales like a puppy dog and the individual ate it up.

That went on for quite some time until another member stumbled on to a picture of one of his kills and recognized the deer from a game farm. I don't believe the guy was ever seen again.

Re: Enormous bucks, enormous lies [Re: BernieB.] #7357612
09/17/21 08:26 AM
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Oh what tangled webs we weave, when we venture to deceive. LLL


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Re: Enormous bucks, enormous lies [Re: BernieB.] #7357617
09/17/21 08:33 AM
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The first hunter did everything right the second hunter not so much!

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Re: Enormous bucks, enormous lies [Re: BernieB.] #7357624
09/17/21 08:40 AM
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I have sold antlers from legally taken deer. there is only one reason somebody would buy trophy class antlers that have not been registered. nothing surprises me about antler hunters.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Enormous bucks, enormous lies [Re: BernieB.] #7357668
09/17/21 09:24 AM
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Why feel bad for the one guy. Still had to hunt and kill the deer. It could have ran off or not got close to him. No it won't go in the record books. but most deer don't.
The second story CAN be prosecuted for transporting an animal across state lines Illegal to bring deer back to ky. UNLESS he just brought the antlers and no nervous system parts.

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Re: Enormous bucks, enormous lies [Re: BernieB.] #7357825
09/17/21 12:50 PM
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I wonder what It cost him to shoot that pen raised deer?


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Re: Enormous bucks, enormous lies [Re: BernieB.] #7357834
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Don't matter how you cook it, you can't eat the rack!


Every kid needs a Dog and a Curmudgeon.

Remember Bowe Bergdahl, the traitor.

Beware! Jill Pudlewski, Ron Oates and Keven Begesse are liars and thiefs!
Re: Enormous bucks, enormous lies [Re: BigBob] #7357840
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Originally Posted by BigBob
Don't matter how you cook it, you can't eat the rack!


Yeah but you can stir a pot of chili with them.

Re: Enormous bucks, enormous lies [Re: Posco] #7357855
09/17/21 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Posco
I'm a member of an archery forum where we had this young fellow mowing down B&C whitetails on a fairly regular basis. He had half the place wowed with his deer hunting prowess and lead them around by the nose as they worshipped his ability. It seemed to me the kid had insights into whitetail behavior only another deer would have but he came across as just a humble guy with a gift. Guys followed his tales like a puppy dog and the individual ate it up.

That went on for quite some time until another member stumbled on to a picture of one of his kills and recognized the deer from a game farm. I don't believe the guy was ever seen again.


ohiobooners..... laugh


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Re: Enormous bucks, enormous lies [Re: BernieB.] #7357856
09/17/21 01:29 PM
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? Tomahawker, what a stupid remark! LOL

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Every kid needs a Dog and a Curmudgeon.

Remember Bowe Bergdahl, the traitor.

Beware! Jill Pudlewski, Ron Oates and Keven Begesse are liars and thiefs!
Re: Enormous bucks, enormous lies [Re: Marty] #7357945
09/17/21 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Marty
Originally Posted by Posco
I'm a member of an archery forum where we had this young fellow mowing down B&C whitetails on a fairly regular basis. He had half the place wowed with his deer hunting prowess and lead them around by the nose as they worshipped his ability. It seemed to me the kid had insights into whitetail behavior only another deer would have but he came across as just a humble guy with a gift. Guys followed his tales like a puppy dog and the individual ate it up.

That went on for quite some time until another member stumbled on to a picture of one of his kills and recognized the deer from a game farm. I don't believe the guy was ever seen again.


ohiobooners..... laugh

Bingo.

Re: Enormous bucks, enormous lies [Re: BernieB.] #7357972
09/17/21 04:41 PM
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Pen deer have made a ton of money for the pen owners. I know one owner who got $2500 for each straw of semen from a particular buck. The industry in my opinion has caused way more problems nation wide than it's worth. When greed and envy rule the roost in the antler world nothing good happens in the course of public opinion about hunting in general. I worked a case at the beginning of the "Horn Porn" era when hunting videos were on VHS. A well known "sportsman" had another hunter on one of his tapes showing off his 205 typical whitetail that was reported to have been taken in my assigned county. The dust jacket gave an exact date when the deer was "harvested". A tip off right there at the time! The owner of the deer was shown with the deer all displayed out and regaled everyone with his hunting prowess. Deer were required to be physically taken to a check station at that time and with a couple phone calls it was verified that the deer had been checked as a wild deer harvested during the legal season. The dates corresponded. I next looked at the clothes the owner was wearing and compared that to local weather data and the flora pictured. Not much there. Why dig into the case?... cause I hate cheaters! After much investigation, an honest person familiar with the event and a member to Safari International told me it was indeed a pen deer passed off as a legal wild kill. At the time there wasn't much I could do state or federal wise at the time, so I let it go.
Another interesting tid bit. The owner of the deer in question was shown in his trophy room on the video which of course had numerous large whitetails. When I contacted the warden in the next state over about the owner of the deer, he had no idea about the trophy room and only had one dealing with the individual and that entailed tagging a bobcat. I have often wondered about how many times people like that have pawned off pen deer as legitimate wild harvested animals?
Horn porn has made deer hunting a big business. Gone are the days of woodsmanship and appreciating the simplicity of sportsmanship.

Re: Enormous bucks, enormous lies [Re: All33] #7357992
09/17/21 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by All33
Pen deer have made a ton of money for the pen owners. I know one owner who got $2500 for each straw of semen from a particular buck. The industry in my opinion has caused way more problems nation wide than it's worth. When greed and envy rule the roost in the antler world nothing good happens in the course of public opinion about hunting in general. I worked a case at the beginning of the "Horn Porn" era when hunting videos were on VHS. A well known "sportsman" had another hunter on one of his tapes showing off his 205 typical whitetail that was reported to have been taken in my assigned county. The dust jacket gave an exact date when the deer was "harvested". A tip off right there at the time! The owner of the deer was shown with the deer all displayed out and regaled everyone with his hunting prowess. Deer were required to be physically taken to a check station at that time and with a couple phone calls it was verified that the deer had been checked as a wild deer harvested during the legal season. The dates corresponded. I next looked at the clothes the owner was wearing and compared that to local weather data and the flora pictured. Not much there. Why dig into the case?... cause I hate cheaters! After much investigation, an honest person familiar with the event and a member to Safari International told me it was indeed a pen deer passed off as a legal wild kill. At the time there wasn't much I could do state or federal wise at the time, so I let it go.
Another interesting tid bit. The owner of the deer in question was shown in his trophy room on the video which of course had numerous large whitetails. When I contacted the warden in the next state over about the owner of the deer, he had no idea about the trophy room and only had one dealing with the individual and that entailed tagging a bobcat. I have often wondered about how many times people like that have pawned off pen deer as legitimate wild harvested animals?
Horn porn has made deer hunting a big business. Gone are the days of woodsmanship and appreciating the simplicity of sportsmanship.


NO it hasn't . You guys hear one story and automatically lump ALL hunters that kill a record book deer in to the liars club. IF the guy didn't get any financial gain like winning a buck contest than he didn't cheat anyone. He was lying period. Millions of deer hunters will agree that deer hunting and being out in the woods itself is rewarding. THE "kill" is just the bonus. So don't declare that woodsmanship is gone. Might be were you hunt but for tons of others it is alive and about to go to kicking.

Re: Enormous bucks, enormous lies [Re: BigBob] #7357997
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Originally Posted by BigBob
Don't matter how you cook it, you can't eat the rack!


No but if the right person or company comes along you sure can sell it for a ton of money !!!!!

Re: Enormous bucks, enormous lies [Re: BernieB.] #7358155
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I made my living in the taxidermy trade long enough that I was here before the Antler Mania kicked in. What I witnessed sickened me. That is why my business cards said right on them "I do not accept animals shot inside fenced enclosures". It cost me a lot of money to take that stand, but I'd still do it if I hadn't retired. More than one ninny has shot pen-raised game that was presented as wild. We even had a local group of hard-core deer hunters that used to have a"pool" for thr biggest buck between them. It was a substantial amount of loot......so substantial that one of them went to a High Fence place and got the deer that won the pool. He was found out and that ended their friendly contest. I had a friend-of-a-friend living next door to a "famous" hunting video maker and they watched him feed a huge tame buck on the edge of his woodlot several days in a row. Once he got the buck running to a certain place to eat, the guy filmed himself "hunting" and killed the buck on camera. The people watched the video and recognized the tree and buck. They could see his tree stand from their window! He was suspected of buying a huge black bear from a breeder too......and shooting it on film. Boy I'm glad I retired!


Re: Enormous bucks, enormous lies [Re: BernieB.] #7358292
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I'm a member of a Native American artifact group on Facebook. People frequently post pictures of modern, not historically accurate replicas, as personal fines. One guy even posted a "discovery" picture of a pestle, with a catalog number on it. When I asked about the number, he got all weird. I looked at his earlier posts and he had pictures of dry artifacts on wet creek banks, 2 leaves in picture after picture, framing the "just discovered" artifact perfectly and a perfect quartz crystal that looked like it just came out of the souvenir store, laying spotlessly clean on a dirty creek bank.

Keith

Re: Enormous bucks, enormous lies [Re: BernieB.] #7358330
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lotsa posers today....


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Re: Enormous bucks, enormous lies [Re: BernieB.] #7358420
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Makes it hard for me to watch TV these days too on some of the hunting shows.
Amazing what folks spend on crap and gimmicks these days to get their hunts too.


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Re: Enormous bucks, enormous lies [Re: BernieB.] #7358429
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