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Re: Grey Foxes in the SE US....oh man! [Re: Swamp Wolf] #7361207
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In my neck of the woods,In my lifetime, I have killed more than 23,000 fox on my home lines.
11, I believe , were greyfox,all the rest red fox.

Re: Grey Foxes in the SE US....oh man! [Re: PSB1011] #7361222
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Originally Posted by PSB1011
In my neck of the woods,In my lifetime, I have killed more than 23,000 fox on my home lines.
11, I believe , were greyfox,all the rest red fox.

Phil,
Do you think that red fox stronghold in your area will hold out in the coming decade or so or will the fox population fade away like other parts of the country?


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Re: Grey Foxes in the SE US....oh man! [Re: Swamp Wolf] #7361389
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"Gray and grey are both common spellings of the color between black and white. Gray is more frequent in American English, whereas grey is more common in British English. ... Of the two, gray occurs more frequently in American English, while grey has historically been the spelling preferred by British English publications."

Because there are very few English ancestry people in the Upper Midwest, I think we tend to go with "gray", although this part of the country has the largest hole of having almost no GRAY fox so sort of mute point for us on what version of the word to use...:


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Re: Grey Foxes in the SE US....oh man! [Re: Swamp Wolf] #7361392
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I've always spelled it grey, and will continue to do so. A good example is my Spots&Greys lure.



Re: Grey Foxes in the SE US....oh man! [Re: Swamp Wolf] #7361397
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I just call them Urocyon Cinereoargentius-less confusion.
Be hard to fit that on a lure bottle eh Paul?


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Re: Grey Foxes in the SE US....oh man! [Re: warrior] #7361499
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Originally Posted by warrior
Sounds like we've identified two factors if the data is based off trapper catch reports.

Coyotes are worth more to the trapper whether that's for nuisance, live, or just to have property to trap. I would opine that a southern trapper not targeting coyotes is either a beaver trapper or not trapping.

Couple that with no fur market, see above, the coons are out of control. Definite distemper vector.

Add in habitat competition and who knows.

Seems like these biologists need to get out of their air conditioned offices and quit crunching numbers on the computer and do some old fashioned field work.


Yes, there could be plenty of other factors to explain overlap in food preferences. First being differences in food availability/diversty between regions.

Re: Grey Foxes in the SE US....oh man! [Re: KeithC] #7361507
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Originally Posted by KeithC
Something, probably coyotes, killed and ate the red fox that were habituated to me on my farm.
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They will do the same to a gray fox if they can get to him.

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Re: Grey Foxes in the SE US....oh man! [Re: NonPCfed] #7361508
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Originally Posted by NonPCfed
"Gray and grey are both common spellings of the color between black and white. Gray is more frequent in American English, whereas grey is more common in British English. ... Of the two, gray occurs more frequently in American English, while grey has historically been the spelling preferred by British English publications."

Because there are very few English ancestry people in the Upper Midwest, I think we tend to go with "gray", although this part of the country has the largest hole of having almost no GRAY fox so sort of mute point for us on what version of the word to use...:


So I had to go back up and see who all spelled it which way, lol. The greys are winning 6 to 4, lol. I was taught gray in school, and so that's always been the way I've spelled it.


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Re: Grey Foxes in the SE US....oh man! [Re: Swamp Wolf] #7361622
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Greys have been increasing their range in Oregon for many years now. Even have two pairs living on my little 35 acre farm.

Reds have declined dramatically and of course coyotes have increased a ton.


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Re: Grey Foxes in the SE US....oh man! [Re: Swamp Wolf] #7361659
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In my lifetime in Kentucky greys have gone from being classified as varmints and could be shot year round, to furbearer status with healthy populations to almost non existent. I tend to believe the coon explosion and disease is the main factor as we used to have very few coon in my area. I used to see many grey fox at my furbuyer back in the eighties. Was nothing to catch three one night on the same small farm. I’ve set a lot of traps last few years and have caught exactly one. Never see them killed on the roads anymore either.

Re: Grey Foxes in the SE US....oh man! [Re: Swamp Wolf] #7361785
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Originally Posted by PSB1011
In my neck of the woods,In my lifetime, I have killed more than 23,000 fox on my home lines.
11, I believe , were greyfox,all the rest red fox.

Phil,
Do you think that red fox stronghold in your area will hold out in the coming decade or so or will the fox population fade away like other parts of the country?

I don't really know.We have more and more coyotes,I haven't trapped my home lines for 3 seasons now, we still have fox hereabout am not sure the population levels as compared to the last years I trapped at home.

Re: Grey Foxes in the SE US....oh man! [Re: Swamp Wolf] #7361786
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And I spell gray fox both ways ,that way I know I'm right some of the time.

Re: Grey Foxes in the SE US....oh man! [Re: Swamp Wolf] #7362110
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Originally Posted by warrior
Sounds like we've identified two factors if the data is based off trapper catch reports.

Coyotes are worth more to the trapper whether that's for nuisance, live, or just to have property to trap. I would opine that a southern trapper not targeting coyotes is either a beaver trapper or not trapping.

Couple that with no fur market, see above, the coons are out of control. Definite distemper vector.

Add in habitat competition and who knows.

Seems like these biologists need to get out of their air conditioned offices and quit crunching numbers on the computer and do some old fashioned field work.

I thought this exact same thing when they mentioned trapper harvest reports.


This is one of our challenges in the wildlife field/trapping world.
Generally speaking, waterfowl biologists are waterfowl hunters. Deer biologists are deer hunters. Turkey biologists are………..you get the picture. DARN few furbearer biologists are trappers, or even former trappers. It can be a barrier when communicating with them on regulation changes and such. And it’s going to get worse as fewer and fewer outdoorsy folks grow up trapping.

Re: Grey Foxes in the SE US....oh man! [Re: Swamp Wolf] #7362112
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Yep. Clay

Re: Grey Foxes in the SE US....oh man! [Re: Swamp Wolf] #7362121
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Out of three properties only 2 have a high population of Greys. I only catch 1 maybe 2 Reds a season and release those. Never even report them…although that does take money out of my pocket. And yeah, add about 20# to a Grey and I don’t think I’d walk the woods at night. Coyotes and even Reds release easy. Greys act like a dang bobkitty, both want to rip your throat out!

Re: Grey Foxes in the SE US....oh man! [Re: Swamp Wolf] #7362208
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Originally Posted by coondagger2
Good number of Gray fox around me. If the gray fox weighed 30 pounds and was 3x its normal size this thread would be about declining coyote populations lol

I 100% agree with this^^^

Seen videos of trappers taking a grey out of a trap and holding it in their arms like a puppy...without controlling the head. I have caught several hundred grey fox.....probably over a thousand, and have never seen one that I could cradle like that. They are vicious little turds.


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Re: Grey Foxes in the SE US....oh man! [Re: Swamp Wolf] #7362311
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Remember, "the only thing constant is change". Species composition and abundance are always in a state of flux as habitat and weather patterns change. Always have and always will.

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