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Re: looks like not just catholic priests and mormons [Re: danny clifton] #7365819
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Humans are the only species that we know of who are self-aware and aware that others have selves. Who recognizes rights in others so that such rights will also be theirs.

Now I have a question for you: Why don't some people have a conscience? Some people, like psychopaths for instance, KNOW right from wrong, but feel no sense of guilt or wrong-doing for transgressing it. They can do ANYTHING without remorse.

Why did God make them that way?

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Re: looks like not just catholic priests and mormons [Re: James] #7365823
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Originally Posted by James
Now I have a question for you: Why don't some people have a conscience? Some people, like psychopaths [and LAWYERS] for instance, KNOW right from wrong, but feel no sense of guilt or wrong-doing for transgressing it. They can do ANYTHING without remorse.

Why did God make them that way?

Jim


fixed it for you

Re: looks like not just catholic priests and mormons [Re: danny clifton] #7365829
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Cmon white marlin. How about if you have no answer you just don’t reply?


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: looks like not just catholic priests and mormons [Re: danny clifton] #7365831
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Btw, Mark: I read one of Lewis's books, The Problem of Pain, I think was the title, years ago, Don't remember much about it.

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Re: looks like not just catholic priests and mormons [Re: danny clifton] #7365840
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Scientists have identified a region of the human brain associated with conscience and another area associated with self-restraint.

Under PET scans, these regions don't light up in one kind of person: the psychopath (as diagnosed by qualified psychiatrists).

Did God or Nature make them that way?

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Re: looks like not just catholic priests and mormons [Re: danny clifton] #7365861
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The Bible says a sinner can sear their conscience to the point it becomes uselss. Science may have caught up to it.

Re: looks like not just catholic priests and mormons [Re: danny clifton] #7365864
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
Cmon white marlin. How about if you have no answer you just don’t reply?


just pointing out an obvious hypocrisy.

Re: looks like not just catholic priests and mormons [Re: James] #7365888
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Originally Posted by James
Scientists have identified a region of the human brain associated with conscience and another area associated with self-restraint.

Under PET scans, these regions don't light up in one kind of person: the psychopath (as diagnosed by qualified psychiatrists).

Did God or Nature make them that way?

Jim

God allowed nature to make them that way. Just as he allows nature to create a child with downs syndrome. It doesn't seem fair, but we live in a broken world. If it were a perfect world without pain and suffering it would be called heaven/paradise. We sort of screwed that up.


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Re: looks like not just catholic priests and mormons [Re: danny clifton] #7366014
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
Since when has everyone agreed on right and wrong? Since when have christians agreed on right and wrong? Why do you think you know what I believe? I believe you only know what I don’t believe.



Well it used to be we all knew what made a boy a boy, and that a boy should marry a girl. But that truth has been "redefined".

We also once knew it was wrong to bust into stores and steal from them, but now if we are protesting some perceived injustice it's ok.

I could go on but you brought up a lot of topics.

All Christians agree on many basic truths, like the topics I just covered.

And you're right, I don't know what you believe. You've been pretty busy attacking Christianity to enlighten us with your take on things.

Not sure if you have the answer or if you are one of those critics with no answer


Originally Posted by danny clifton

I believe we are self destructing the same way Rome did. A society that rose to dominate the world while being polytheistic . Then collapsed under widespread corruption of government and big business


They did rise being polytheistic

It's funny you brought that up


They would rise to power by grinding fellow humans into dust


You made a thread warning about how Christianity endorsed slavery

About 25% of the polytheistic Roman Empire was enslaved

Human trafficking and slavery was the lifeline of the Empire

The poor would sell their own children into slavery

To be a slave in the Roman Empire was different than the slaves spoke of in the Bible

Unlike biblical slaves, Roman slaves had no rights, could be killed without reason

They would be forced into sexual slavery, prostitution

God instructed the Israelites to give them the Sabbath off, one day off out of seven

It would have been radical in the time and context it was written

The teachings of the Bible would eventually end slavery here, legally anyways



If you have some vision of a better explanation of what is going on in the world, by all means enlighten us

You will have to present a pretty good case to convince me otherwise


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Re: looks like not just catholic priests and mormons [Re: danny clifton] #7366058
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Whats going on now that has not gone on before? We have some really amazing technology but the one thing I do get from the bible is that human nature has not changed any.


P.S. Lots of Christian churchs accept homosexuality.


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Re: looks like not just catholic priests and mormons [Re: danny clifton] #7366063
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Seems like I remember something biblical about theft being excused at times


Proverbs 6:30-31


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Re: looks like not just catholic priests and mormons [Re: danny clifton] #7366065
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Originally Posted by danny clifton


P.S. Lots of Christian churchs accept homosexuality.


The leaders of those churches are the ones Paul warned about. They are not Christians.


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Re: looks like not just catholic priests and mormons [Re: danny clifton] #7366070
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
Seems like I remember something biblical about theft being excused at times


Proverbs 6:30-31


Don't forget that Jesus told his disciples to go rustle livestock to get him a ride.

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Re: looks like not just catholic priests and mormons [Re: yotetrapper30] #7366071
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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
Originally Posted by danny clifton


P.S. Lots of Christian churchs accept homosexuality.


The leaders of those churches are the ones Paul warned about. They are not Christians.


You're pretty quick to pronounce judgment on who is a Muslim, who is a Christian, etc.


Jim

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Originally Posted by James

You're pretty quick to pronounce judgment on who is a Muslim, who is a Christian, etc.


Jim


Not judging, that's God's job. Just stating that, according to Jesus' words in the Bible, those people are not practicing Christianity. The Bible warns that there will be many false teachers who preach things that are contrary to God's demands, and that we should be vigilant in checking them against the words of God. If you'd spend some time reading the New Testament you would also know all this James.


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Re: looks like not just catholic priests and mormons [Re: James] #7366107
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Originally Posted by James
Originally Posted by danny clifton
Seems like I remember something biblical about theft being excused at times


Proverbs 6:30-31


Don't forget that Jesus told his disciples to go rustle livestock to get him a ride. Jim


let's play a little game...

how would you defend Him against those charges in a court of law?

Re: looks like not just catholic priests and mormons [Re: danny clifton] #7366130
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I can envision that time about 2,000 years ago.....

when the false religious teachers called Pharisees, and wise diviners, magicians and more would sneer amid their own self-glorifying activities and their self-glorifying banter at the followers of Christ telling them; "show us, answer us, prove to us.... about your God!"

Satan tempted Jesus the very same way. Evil has existed a very long time and has been Biblically referred to as "the accuser."

Many came to the Christian faith in 1st century because the Christians died well.. Put to death, there is strong historical commentary from that era, that Christians would typically die in the coliseums... by beasts or some other tortuous manner (especially under Roman Emperor Domitian who was the most heinous), but who would all die singing psalms and praying. Domitian actually ended the coliseum torture rituals because the crowds would see the way the Christians died well, and who already knew Christians were the only people to open their homes to strangers (never done in ancient times).... and CONVERT from paganism to Christianity.

Martyrdom has always been the seed of the faith because the hope of the Gospel is real.
It still is.
And when the last martyr is called home, the Trumpet sounds.
And the answers will begin with the One upon the Mercy Seat asking all the questions.
So it is written.

Come to find out....
Our modern day Pharisees, and scribes (attorneys), diviners, and wise men aren't the product of evolution as Chuckie D. claimed. They're more of the same old same old.
No evolving happening. Just the tic toc tic toc of the Creator's hands of time.

Blessings y'all!
Mark


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only a lawyer could turn that story into rustling livestock.

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Originally Posted by Mark June
A person only realizes right from wrong because of the God of the Bible. wink

That's true. But, there's also the reality of your actions such as prison, even execution. Common sense tells anyone, if you kill someone, there will be physical consequences.


I don't care how nice the hand soap smells, you should never walk out of the restroom sniffing your fingers.
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Originally Posted by Oleo Acres
only a lawyer could turn that story into rustling livestock.


it's a false accusation, by an overzealous "prosecutor" anyway.

Jesus said [paraphrased]...if anybody asks you about this, tell them the Lord requires it; and they'll be okay with it.

I ask you James...does the tern "anybody" include the owner? if so, the owner agreed to the Lord's need.

Matthew 21:3 [New Living Translation] "If anyone asks what you are doing, just say, ‘The Lord needs them,’ and he will immediately let you take them.”

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