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X-Rays at FHA? #7366626
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Read somewhere, maybe here, that part of the grading for rats at FHA involves x-rays of individual pelts. True or false? Just asking.

Re: X-Rays at FHA? [Re: 080808] #7366628
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Don't know, but ain't likely. Why ever would they? Nothing in a pelt to show up on an X-Ray.


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Re: X-Rays at FHA? [Re: 080808] #7366633
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At one point in time, NAFA was looking into measuring rats with some sort of technology, like they do beaver. Scannngnof some sort. Not sure how FHA is measuring rats.

If you got the information third hand, details could have gotten scrambled.


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Re: X-Rays at FHA? [Re: 080808] #7366659
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According to Beav they (NAFA) used to scan (not xray) muskrat pelts for size at Stoughton. There is a possibility that FHA has acquired this equipment ( if it existed) at the NAFA "Going Out Of Business"" sale?


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Re: X-Rays at FHA? [Re: 080808] #7366670
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The machine exists Dirt, saw it with my own two eyes and ran my own rats through it. It took an image of the pelts and by measuring the pixels it was able to determine size.


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Re: X-Rays at FHA? [Re: Steven 49er] #7366674
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Seven what was the comparison for size with the machine compared to using standard board sizes per size and putting in the appropriate size by length? For me when I shipped to NAFA I always had a higher percentage of the next size up with the machine then with my measuring. I tried to be conservative but the difference many times was 15-20% If FHA has that machine I sure hope they use it as then it is about damage and grade for the graders.

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X2 on the next size up w/NAFA

Re: X-Rays at FHA? [Re: 080808] #7366682
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Pretty sure they showed it on marsh to mainstreet.


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Re: X-Rays at FHA? [Re: 080808] #7366711
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Boco. Where can I view marsh to main street?

Re: X-Rays at FHA? [Re: 080808] #7366797
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Nafa gave them out a few years ago to all the shippers.
Maybe get a hold of Walleyed he got a couple extras I believe.


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Re: X-Rays at FHA? [Re: Boco] #7366801
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Originally Posted by Boco
Nafa gave them out a few years ago to all the shippers.
Maybe get a hold of Walleyed he got a couple extras I believe.


For God's sake don't get him started on that again!

Re: X-Rays at FHA? [Re: 080808] #7366852
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Bryce that machine measures square inches or sq cm. Which determines true size. You apparently have a wide stretch which would hurt you on the sizing board. Some guys stretch narrow to increase length and cheat the system. They would have the opposite effect.

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The reason I like the machine and the square CMs is then it takes all that BS out of the stretcher micro managing.

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Originally Posted by walleye101
Originally Posted by Boco
Nafa gave them out a few years ago to all the shippers.
Maybe get a hold of Walleyed he got a couple extras I believe.


For God's sake don't get him started on that again!


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I understand the scanner measured back and belly.

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Originally Posted by nimzy
Bryce that machine measures square inches or sq cm. Which determines true size. You apparently have a wide stretch which would hurt you on the sizing board. Some guys stretch narrow to increase length and cheat the system. They would have the opposite effect.



Well you know we don't all have those Horicon bruisers lol.

Frankly I didn't like the way it sized rats done on wire. If one lives in an area with marginally sized rats medium and large boards are the ticket. Thin boards like the ol boy from WI made, not half inch boards.


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If I remember correctly the scanner drew a line across the ear butts and a line across the shortest part of the hide. And that showed the square centimeters between the 2 lines. They used square centimeters because of the foreign buyers. They could put a 1000 rats In container and could post the square centimeters In that container. That way the buyer would know what he had to work with.

Wood will help you If the rats are scanned. There Is no way you can square off the skirt area on a rat by using wire.


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Originally Posted by Steven 49er
Originally Posted by nimzy
Bryce that machine measures square inches or sq cm. Which determines true size. You apparently have a wide stretch which would hurt you on the sizing board. Some guys stretch narrow to increase length and cheat the system. They would have the opposite effect.



Well you know we don't all have those Horicon bruisers lol.

Frankly I didn't like the way it sized rats done on wire. If one lives in an area with marginally sized rats medium and large boards are the ticket. Thin boards like the ol boy from WI made, not half inch boards.


No matter how you stretch a rat you can't make It any bigger then It Is. So If you stretch It long or wide the buyer Is still getting the same square Inches.
The person doing the cheating Is the fur buyer since he Is using a sizing board and If you stretch that rat a bit to wide that will shorten that rat and he will down grade by length. If that rat grades Large It could actually grade XL If It was stretched longer. The bottom line is the buyer Is getting the same square Inches no matter what.


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Re: X-Rays at FHA? [Re: 080808] #7367260
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The closer to square something is the more square inches, per dimension of the outside measurement. 12x5 = 60 13x4=52


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Re: X-Rays at FHA? [Re: 080808] #7367263
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Originally Posted by 080808
Boco. Where can I view marsh to main street?

They're still available on the wfsc YouTube channel

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