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Re: Ford revenue down 50% !! [Re: Kre] #7366430 09/28/21 12:57 PM 09/28/21 12:57 PM
Joined: Feb 2014 Posts: 13,135 Ky J jbyrd63 OP trapper
jbyrd63 OP trapper J Joined: Feb 2014 Posts: 13,135 Ky	Originally Posted by Kre Yes, I like my Ford truck and my Ford stock. Both have been good to me. This is clearly an emotional subject for you, so I'll just let you get it off your chest. No they only thing that gets me going is the fake prop up of the market to keep BOBO having ONE and only 1 thing going for him. If the fake news reporting was were it should be interest would be 10% and things would go back to normal. Yes tough on folks going into debt but pricing would be down to earth instead of living on make believe money floating over a wire transaction.

Re: Ford revenue down 50% !! [Re: hippie] #7366433 09/28/21 12:59 PM 09/28/21 12:59 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 15,697 MN, Land of 10,000 Lakes T Trapper7 trapper
Trapper7 trapper T Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 15,697 MN, Land of 10,000 Lakes	Originally Posted by hippie And it'll be up 200% when they get chips for the vehicles already built but unsold, waiting on a chip. And that's part of the reason why these new vehicles are so costly. All these new amenities that most of us will never use. I have a 2018 pickup that has all kinds of stuff I'll never use. I'm almost afraid of my steering wheel that I might bump a button! We are told not to judge all Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but are told to judge all gunowners by the actions of a few.

Re: Ford revenue down 50% !! [Re: jbyrd63] #7366434 09/28/21 01:00 PM 09/28/21 01:00 PM
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adam m trapper A Joined: Feb 2014 Posts: 25,694 nm	I saw a couple electric mustang's at the dealership a couple months back. They are an abomination to mustang in every aspect. They don't even come close to looking like a mustang

Re: Ford revenue down 50% !! [Re: Kre] #7366445 09/28/21 01:11 PM 09/28/21 01:11 PM
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330-Trapper trapper Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 63,017 Minnesota	Originally Posted by Kre Yes, I like my Ford truck and my Ford stock. Both have been good to me. This is clearly an emotional subject for you, so I'll just let you get it off your chest. Clearly emotional to you too. When shown what Ford got. Your reply was "Have you looked at what the others got?" Point at others. NRA and NTA Life Member www.BackroadsRevised@etsy.com

Re: Ford revenue down 50% !! [Re: jbyrd63] #7366446 09/28/21 01:11 PM 09/28/21 01:11 PM
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CoonNfoxtrapper trapper C Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 447 Iowa	I'm excited for the electric truck keep in mind their 300 mile limitation is the beginning. Few years down the road when they double that to 600 ill be in line for one I don't need to beat my chest like caveman and insist on using gas . Secondly a ton of company's are getting free money. Ppe and every other bail out its nothing new whats the alternative? Buy foreign?

Re: Ford revenue down 50% !! [Re: jbyrd63] #7366463 09/28/21 01:29 PM 09/28/21 01:29 PM
Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 11,181 Armpit, ak D Dirt trapper
Dirt trapper D Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 11,181 Armpit, ak	Originally Posted by jbyrd63 Originally Posted by Dirt Not saying Ford does not get free gubmint money, but I don't know that you can count rebates of " taxes paid" getting money? Most of the tax credits/rebates appear to be from carryover losses they could not deduct on previous tax years. Why not ? wasn't it monies "given " back to them OR they didn't have to pay to start with? Credit I think means didn't pay it. "What is the Purpose of an NOL/Tax Loss Carryforward? Tax Loss Carryforwards exist so that the total lifetime taxes for a firm will, in theory, be the same no matter how their profits and losses are spread out. Example if firms could NOT carry forward losses: A company that had a loss of $10 million in 2018 and a profit of $10 million in 2019 with a 30% tax rate would pay zero tax in 2018 and $3 million in 2019. Its total profit before tax in 2018 and 2019 combined was zero, yet it paid $3 million in taxes. Compare that to a different company that also had $0 of profit in 2018 and $0 of profit in 2019. This company would pay zero taxes and had a total pre-tax profit of $0. So why would the first company pay $3 million in taxes, while the second company paid none? The first company is much worse off due to the distribution and timing of its profits. To address this issue, tax loss carryforwards were created." My error I should have put rebates in my statement. Credits are tax deductions right off your taxes not reductions in taxable income.. If they are more than your tax liability, then they are free gubmint money. If not, they are a tax break. Last edited by Dirt; 09/28/21 01:34 PM. Who is John Galt?

Re: Ford revenue down 50% !! [Re: 330-Trapper] #7366468 09/28/21 01:34 PM 09/28/21 01:34 PM
Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,418 USA-WI K Kre trapper
Kre trapper K Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,418 USA-WI	Originally Posted by 330-Trapper Originally Posted by Kre Yes, I like my Ford truck and my Ford stock. Both have been good to me. This is clearly an emotional subject for you, so I'll just let you get it off your chest. Clearly emotional to you too. When shown what Ford got. Your reply was "Have you looked at what the others got?" Point at others. No, that's not true. My point was, there'd be a single American vehicle manufacturer if it wasn't for true bailouts that happened around 2008-2009. That would be Ford. Thanks for playing!

Re: Ford revenue down 50% !! [Re: jbyrd63] #7366471 09/28/21 01:37 PM 09/28/21 01:37 PM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 35,169 McGrath, AK W white17 "General (Mr.Sunshine) Washington"
white17 "General (Mr.Sunshine) Washington" W Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 35,169 McGrath, AK	Originally Posted by jbyrd63 Ford Ceo was all over the news showing off their electric truck and mustang. But FOX news reporter ask how many they had made and when they will be available. This was mixed in with the announcement about battery plants in Ky and TN. 100,000 ORDERED only display and few made for public. 2 year wait IF Biden keeps sending them the checks. I mention this because had a thread last month on HOW these companies are reporting profits when they don't have anything on the lots/ shelves to sell !! But some on here said it was because of over head down. LOL Really leaving the lights on is over head. THEN the reporter as him why revenue was down 50% YES FIFTY percent ! The japanese chip plant they use burned to the ground !!! The revenue drop was the second quarter of this year. BET this quarter will be even more !! They're saving the world but can't make them. LOL BIG selling point is they can power your house if electric goes off HMMM But they can only power themselves for 300 miles on level ground ? They had a revenue of 127 billion in 2020 when extra money from boosted unemployment had folks around here buying new trucks cars 4 wheelers, ect. SOOOO half that is roughly down 63 billion. Ford is not just selling cars to get their income so car sales isn't all of it. Take out the" bail out " (subsides) and they would be bankrupt !!!OR most companies would. You ain't selling you ain't making money. Unless gubment is sending you money each month. I'd sure appreciate a link to this event that you mention. Mean As Nails

Re: Ford revenue down 50% !! [Re: jbyrd63] #7366474 09/28/21 01:39 PM 09/28/21 01:39 PM
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Gary Benson trapper G Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 21,716 Sandhills Nebraska	Right now the Dems are trying to push through another 3.5 trillion social welfare package. Not going well so they're breaking it down into two packages so it don't look so bad. Then in December the Gubmint will be facing another shutdown unless they can raise the debt ceiling again. It'll only end one way. Life ain't supposed to be easy.

Re: Ford revenue down 50% !! [Re: jbyrd63] #7366502 09/28/21 02:19 PM 09/28/21 02:19 PM
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Marty trapper Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 21,052 North East Kansas	socialism is our future, it is ironic that people love their $ and possessions more than freedom but in the end they will loose both.....live free or die. E 'Honey Badger Militia' Sleep, the anti woke adote.

Re: Ford revenue down 50% !! [Re: jbyrd63] #7366506 09/28/21 02:25 PM 09/28/21 02:25 PM
Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 863 St. Croix County, Wisconsin T ToTheWoods trapper
ToTheWoods trapper T Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 863 St. Croix County, Wisconsin	Originally Posted by jbyrd63 Originally Posted by Kre Ford never got bailed out. Look real close at the 2009 GRANT money Grant means don't pay it back 62 MILLION ! Folks bad mouthed Chevy for taking money then . BLAH BLAH At least they got it and thanked tax payers . Ford did it in the back room like a private treaty deal LOL LOL A grant is a grant. Given for research and development of energy efficient motors and this ever driving electric car BS. And where exactly is it that is says that the money was given to the company to keep them afloat. Not saying that you are wrong but your list looks like the money comes from Gov't contracts, Federal grants, and tax credits (ie the mix from federal and state gov't entities) Ford by far supplies local, state and federal government the most vehicles. MEGADEAL to me would mean a huge contract.

Re: Ford revenue down 50% !! [Re: jbyrd63] #7366515 09/28/21 02:51 PM 09/28/21 02:51 PM
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rex123 trapper Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 3,833 KY.usa	Why just Ford ? Have you looked at the other car makers ? Please post a link to the fox story.

Re: Ford revenue down 50% !! [Re: Marty] #7366524 09/28/21 03:06 PM 09/28/21 03:06 PM
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Gary Benson trapper G Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 21,716 Sandhills Nebraska	Originally Posted by Marty socialism is our future, it is ironic that people love their $ and possessions more than freedom but in the end they will loose both.....live free or die. Go to the cities and look under the bridges and fringes of the Walmart parking lots and you can see where we're headed. Cardboard and black magic marker will be a valuable asset! Life ain't supposed to be easy.

Re: Ford revenue down 50% !! [Re: jbyrd63] #7366546 09/28/21 03:41 PM 09/28/21 03:41 PM
Joined: May 2009 Posts: 15,631 Champaign County, Ohio. K KeithC trapper
KeithC trapper K Joined: May 2009 Posts: 15,631 Champaign County, Ohio.	Anyone else wonder if a bunch of Ohio State Football players went down to Lake Cumberland, fished out jbyrd63's best spot, shot the bucks jbryd was watching and yearning to kill, jumped into their Ford Trucks, peeled out and gave him a lawn job? It would certainly explain the motive behind a lot of his posts. Keith

Re: Ford revenue down 50% !! [Re: jbyrd63] #7366558 09/28/21 03:56 PM 09/28/21 03:56 PM
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GritGuy trapper G Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 8,854 Magna, Utah	I will never own a new vehicle again, ever, I cannot justify paying what it costs to buy a new vehicle in fancy paint and add on's that don't do anything for the cost of the purchase. It's so much cheaper to just repair or replace the part on your existing car, and still stay way lower than a used car purchase ! I don't even go look at them any more, makes me ill to see the prices on them for the same thing I did buy new in 89 ! People at my work at the mine make a great wage yet can't even drive their fancy wheels for fear of something happening to them or cause they use to much fuel, it's a constant no stop complaint of them, used cars are now reaching the prices of new vehicles in the 80's with most having over 110k miles on them, it's crazy. Figure if they can't sell any of these lotted up vehicles they will be broke sooner than later !! Sorry if my opinions or replies offend you, they are not meant to !

Re: Ford revenue down 50% !! [Re: rex123] #7366624 09/28/21 05:11 PM 09/28/21 05:11 PM
Joined: Feb 2014 Posts: 13,135 Ky J jbyrd63 OP trapper
jbyrd63 OP trapper J Joined: Feb 2014 Posts: 13,135 Ky	Originally Posted by rex123 Why just Ford ? Have you looked at the other car makers ? Please post a link to the fox story. You didn't read all this or some other reason you didn't understand my previous comment. I looked at all but Ford lovers want to say "they didn't get bailed out" LOL ALL OF THEM HAS ; Oh yea here you go couldn't find the TV interview but here's an article. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/28/business/ford-q2-earnings.html Last edited by jbyrd63; 09/28/21 05:13 PM.

Re: Ford revenue down 50% !! [Re: jbyrd63] #7366629 09/28/21 05:21 PM 09/28/21 05:21 PM
Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 863 St. Croix County, Wisconsin T ToTheWoods trapper
ToTheWoods trapper T Joined: Dec 2013 Posts: 863 St. Croix County, Wisconsin	Originally Posted by jbyrd63 Originally Posted by rex123 Why just Ford ? Have you looked at the other car makers ? Please post a link to the fox story. You didn't read all this or some other reason you didn't understand my previous comment. I looked at all but Ford lovers want to say "they didn't get bailed out" LOL ALL OF THEM HAS ; Oh yea here you go couldn't find the TV interview but here's an article. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/28/business/ford-q2-earnings.html Your posting using a Rueters article??? Could it be that Ford is far and away the largest auto manufacturer in the US and also one of the largest auto manufacturers in the world that these article come out to try and level the playing field for companies that couldn't hold their own water and have never recovered from the tarnished reputations for getting bailed out and then not repaying the entire debt back to the American people. I still waiting on the dividend check.

Re: Ford revenue down 50% !! [Re: jbyrd63] #7366646 09/28/21 05:41 PM 09/28/21 05:41 PM
Joined: Feb 2014 Posts: 13,135 Ky J jbyrd63 OP trapper
jbyrd63 OP trapper J Joined: Feb 2014 Posts: 13,135 Ky	My post was based on a tv interview yesterday. If you want there was 6-10 articles I just copied the first one in line It was quoting the ceo so don’t matter the source !! I think that was new York post

Re: Ford revenue down 50% !! [Re: jbyrd63] #7366671 09/28/21 06:09 PM 09/28/21 06:09 PM
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rex123 trapper Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 3,833 KY.usa	You said it was a fox interview. Could only find one fox interview with ford ceo and didn't see half of what your saying. But did just see on the news that a ford plant making said batteries that will bring 5000 jobs to Kentucky. Not interested in news stories in papers or on line that Trump said were fake news sites.

Re: Ford revenue down 50% !! [Re: jbyrd63] #7366699 09/28/21 06:35 PM 09/28/21 06:35 PM
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PSB1011 trapper P Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,030 PA	Originally Posted by jbyrd63 Originally Posted by Pawnee I bought a new 250 last month its supposed to here in January. Hopefully it shows up. Only the second new vehicle the wife and I ever bought. I hate waiting Ford has received litte over 33 TRILLION YES TRILLION with a T !!! since 1992 !!! So you ford guys better back up and think about "no bail out " again here's more charts where the money went !! Some was loan but vast majority was hand outs !!! These are since 2003 !!!!!!!!!! Company Location Subsidy Source Year Subsidy Valuesort icon Loan/Bailout Value Type of Subsidy Ford Motor Michigan state 2010 $2,300,000,000 MEGADEAL Ford Motor Company Michigan state 2011 $1,022,336,000 tax credit/rebate Ford Motor Company Kentucky state 2007 $240,000,000 tax credit/rebate Ford Motor Kentucky state 2010 $240,000,000 MEGADEAL Ford Motor Co. Michigan multiple 2018 $234,000,000 megadeal Ford Motor Michigan multiple 2000 $222,000,000 MEGADEAL Ford Motor Company Michigan state 2009 $176,528,000 tax credit/rebate Ford Motor Michigan multiple 2009 $174,700,000 MEGADEAL Ford Motor Michigan state 2006 $151,236,000 MEGADEAL Ford Motor Missouri state 2010 $150,000,000 MEGADEAL AutoAlliance International (now Ford Motor) Michigan multiple 2002 $125,900,000 MEGADEAL Ford Motor Illinois multiple 2000 $100,900,000 MEGADEAL Ford Motor Michigan multiple 2003 $90,300,000 MEGADEAL Ford Motor Ohio state 2002 $83,400,000 MEGADEAL FORD MOTOR COMPANY United States federal 2009 $62,709,188 federal grant Ford Motor Company Michigan state 2009 $30,000,000 tax credit/rebate Ford Motor Company Michigan state 2009 $30,000,000 tax credit/rebate Ford Motor Company United States federal 2013 $30,000,000 federal allocated tax credit Ford Motor Company Michigan state 2009 $25,000,000 tax credit/rebate Ford Motor Company (Sharonville Transmission) Ohio state 2008 $19,047,100 tax credit/rebate Ford Motor Company Michigan state 2010 $10,000,000 tax credit/rebate Ford Motor Land Development Corporation Michigan state 2012 $10,000,000 tax credit/rebate Ford Motor Company Michigan state 2017 $10,000,000 tax credit/rebate FORD MOTOR COMPANY United States federal Are you trying to tell me Ford got over a Trillion a year for 30 years,I don't believe it.How much is the entire federal budget?

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