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Re: Ford revenue down 50% !! [Re: jbyrd63] #7366702
09/28/21 06:38 PM
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I'll buy one for half price to help them out.


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Re: Ford revenue down 50% !! [Re: jbyrd63] #7366725
09/28/21 07:00 PM
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Can't read the NYT article but the headline says PROFIT down 50%..... not revenue. They are talking about the first quarter of this fiscal year which was 5 months ago.

Here's a bit more..notice the article says revenue is actually UP.......not down.

Output ( the number of vehicles manufactured) could decline 50% for the year 2021.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/ford-posts-profit-says-chip-shortage-to-slash-q2-output-by-50

I still wouldn't buy the stock or the cars


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Re: Ford revenue down 50% !! [Re: jbyrd63] #7366742
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Just so WRR doesn't accuse me of getting in a peeing match, we are talking about Ford right. I got 360,000 on my ranger, they must only work for BIG10 fans. laugh

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Re: Ford revenue down 50% !! [Re: white17] #7366804
09/28/21 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by white17
Can't read the NYT article but the headline says PROFIT down 50%..... not revenue. They are talking about the first quarter of this fiscal year which was 5 months ago.

Here's a bit more..notice the article says revenue is actually UP.......not down.

Output ( the number of vehicles manufactured) could decline 50% for the year 2021.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/ford-posts-profit-says-chip-shortage-to-slash-q2-output-by-50

I still wouldn't buy the stock or the cars


Ken, don't confuse anyone with the facts. Phil, I thought the same thing as well, don't let a little math get in the way.


"Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon". Milton Friedman.
Re: Ford revenue down 50% !! [Re: jbyrd63] #7366819
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Not my spread sheet 33 trillion was some one else’s stats. Only reason I looked it up then posted was and I quote Ford never got bailed out “

Re: Ford revenue down 50% !! [Re: jbyrd63] #7366823
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Originally Posted by jbyrd63
Originally Posted by Kre
Ford never got bailed out.


WRONG !!!! Not in a publisized way but Fed grant/ subsides are what they build their brand behind now.


https://www.freep.com/story/money/c...-loan-department-energy-debt/5526413002/



Subsidy Tracker Parent Company Summary



Parent Company Name: Ford Motor



Ownership Structure: publicly traded (ticker symbol F)



Headquartered in: Michigan



Major Industry: motor vehicles



Specific Industry: motor vehicles



Subsidy Summary

Subsidy Value

Number of Awards


State/Local $4,065,911,682 183
Federal (grants and allocated tax credits) $288,745,565 161
TOTAL $4,354,657,247 344


Loan / Bailout Summary

Total Face Value

Number of Awards


State/Local loans, bond financing and venture capital $0 0
Federal loans, loan guarantees and bailout assistance (not including repayments) $33,489,841,570 163
TOTAL $33,489,841,570 163


Time Period for State and Local Awards:



Earliest year of data: 1992. Availability of data for earlier years varies greatly from program to program. The majority of the listings for this parent company are for the period since 2010.


Time Period for Federal Awards:



FY2000 to the present


Notes:



The dollar total above adjusts for the fact that there is an overlap between the amount in the Megadeal entry and that of one or more of the other entries. Dollar totals do not include awards for which no subsidy value is disclosed.


Links:



For a summary of this company's regulatory violations see its Violation Tracker summary page here.

For an overview of this company's accountability track record, read its Corporate Rap Sheet here.

For an overview of political contributions associated with this company, see its Follow the Money page.



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Hers the one with the total monies. GRANTS/ loans/ tax subsides



State/Local loans, bond financing and venture capital $0 0
Federal loans, loan guarantees and bailout assistance (not including repayments) $33,489,841,570 163
TOTAL $33,489,841,570 163

This chart just includes money from 1992 . PLUS it says there is more but the amounts were NOT disclosed !!!!
Looks like a bail out to me !!! Just saying.




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Re: Ford revenue down 50% !! [Re: teepee2] #7366824
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Originally Posted by teepee2
Just so WRR doesn't accuse me of getting in a peeing match, we are talking about Ford right. I got 360,000 on my ranger, they must only work for BIG10 fans. laugh



LMAO

Re: Ford revenue down 50% !! [Re: jbyrd63] #7366831
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Never said they didn't or did make a good product/ Just passing along the facts that will come to be known when the real world starts spinning again .People need to stop peeing on others backs and declaring it's rain.

Re: Ford revenue down 50% !! [Re: jbyrd63] #7366897
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Originally Posted by jbyrd63











State/Local loans, bond financing and venture capital $0 0
Federal loans, loan guarantees and bailout assistance (not including repayments) $33,489,841,570 163
TOTAL $33,489,841,570 163










Here is the mistake. The number cited here is a ..............mistake or a misprint. The actual number should be $33,489,841,570.00 .................That's 33 billion, 489 million, 841 thousand, 570.00 dollars.

Some how you added..or someone did ...... the last three digits of 163 . That is actually the total number of grants, loans, loan guarantees, tax rebates etc.

Those extra three digits make it APPEAR to be 33 TRILLION. But it isn't.

Here is the actual link to your original source. You can see the correct amount a few lines down. It's referred to as TOTAL.

https://subsidytracker.goodjobsfirst.org/prog.php?parent=ford-motor&page=1


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Re: Ford revenue down 50% !! [Re: jbyrd63] #7366923
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Come on ken. Stop confusing with facts. I saw that as well just seeing how deep of a hole he wanted to dig.

Technically ford didn't get bailed out. Those are tax breaks and grants that every other big business on the planet 5akes advantage of. I'm not a fan of it but for now it is what it is

GM and Chryslers bailout was on a whole other level.


"Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon". Milton Friedman.
Re: Ford revenue down 50% !! [Re: jbyrd63] #7366936
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Re: Ford revenue down 50% !! [Re: jbyrd63] #7366948
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I find it hard to believe that they received $33 Trillion dollars in less than 30 years. Even the govt hasn't managed to build that kind of debt.


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Re: Ford revenue down 50% !! [Re: sneaky] #7366953
09/28/21 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by sneaky
I find it hard to believe that they received $33 Trillion dollars in less than 30 years. Even the govt hasn't managed to build that kind of debt.


Oh yes they have.


"Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon". Milton Friedman.
Re: Ford revenue down 50% !! [Re: jbyrd63] #7366973
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“A heterodox macroeconomic theory that describes currency as a public monopoly for a government and unemployment as the evidence that a currency monopolist is restricting the supply of the financial assets needed to pay taxes and satisfy savings desire.”

See the government needs to give Ford money so they can pay their taxes. smile


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