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How many have found a useful lure for otter. #736760
05/29/08 11:05 PM
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As i am curious as to what lure it would be. Also what besides a gland lure is there on the market at present for baiting otter. In general what is on the market at present for otter trapping as far as a bait and lure other than gland lure.



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Re: How many have found a useful lure for otter. [Re: deerhunter65347] #736777
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they like pure shellfish oil & softshell sheds I do know that

otters seem to show some interest in Paul's Beaver Plus ... just about antything with a lot of rat glands or mink glands ... heck even fox glands can and will peak their interest

best thing for'em wont fit in a bottle ... that being blind set 220's

Re: How many have found a useful lure for otter. [Re: ] #736786
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otter gland lure here. they bite on castor and crawdad oil hard also.

Re: How many have found a useful lure for otter. [Re: ] #736800
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I have found alot of the canine lures are a draw for them but as for bait beaver meat, muskrat meat with castor, Rotten eggs with asofetida has been a constant draw but still isnt quite right. I am missing a key ingrediant some where. I was hoping others were on the same track. I feel there is a need for such a bait or lure ingrediant that can really draw them. This is a market area that doesnt seem to have a following.
I know what ya mean possum a good blind set around toilets still seem to be the ticket. But surely we are missing something in a lure that will put them in the pocket.
Shell fish oil seems like a good draw but i still get refusals on it as well. I am thinking clams crossed with crayfish and muskrat meat with a castor kicker. With just a touch of asofetida to boot. But time will tell i have this mixture ageing at the moment so once i can smell it at the right stage then i will set it and try some test sets and see.
But i dont see any lure manufactuers working on or producing anything yet. I figured some one would know whats up in the lure industry.



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Re: How many have found a useful lure for otter. [Re: deerhunter65347] #736863
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#32 Grinder ,,,, Whole mink carcass including inards, in half froze state. Drop in and grind whole head and all. MAYBE ?


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Re: How many have found a useful lure for otter. [Re: dirtholeman1] #736865
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Now i havnt tried mink in any manner. But the mink glands along with the above mixture may not be a bad idea. Now thats some food for thought. Thanks D1



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Re: How many have found a useful lure for otter. [Re: deerhunter65347] #736867
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The biggest grinder i have is a number 22 enterprise made in philadelphia. A mink would fit.



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Re: How many have found a useful lure for otter. [Re: deerhunter65347] #736870
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Tonquin musk if you can find the real stuff.


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Re: How many have found a useful lure for otter. [Re: Jtrapper] #736880
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otter are easy to catch in beaver slides and dens




Re: How many have found a useful lure for otter. [Re: ] #736990
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 Originally Posted By: Buzzard
Pauls "Mississippi Special" has cought several for me in dirtholes on earthen leveys....



makes sense ... since I know where the "squeezins" come from ... lol

Re: How many have found a useful lure for otter. [Re: ] #736993
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Deerhunter wrote...
But i dont see any lure manufactuers working on or producing anything yet. I figured some one would know whats up in the lure industry.

Hmmmmmmmm, Lenon's Otter Super All Call lure has been on the market every year since 1950;
OTTER SUPER ALL CALL
Several really appealing ingredients make this the finest otter lure available! Discovered by accident while testing new canine lure ideas along water, this thick paste formula has proven highly effective on otter. See the results this season!

Ace

Re: How many have found a useful lure for otter. [Re: Asa Lenon] #737076
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I have always used Thorpe's Muskall lure for otters and have had good luck, But he sold the business last summer so longer can get it. But i will try Asa'a Super Call. Thanks for the heads up Asa. Expect a call.

Re: How many have found a useful lure for otter. [Re: Otter04] #737079
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Hey Newt What do you and Clint use down there for your Otter trapping?

Re: How many have found a useful lure for otter. [Re: Otter04] #737242
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I was going to say maybe something with mink as they are a smaller competetor and that would strike up territorial instincts.

or

Possum, yes that's the key possum, that'll dirve em nuts (I have to create a market for my #1 catch LOL)

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Re: How many have found a useful lure for otter. [Re: Freepop] #737251
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Might be onto something with the mink idea.Was following some mink tracks one fine day.I saw where he was travelling so I wanted to see what the tracks would reveal.It rounded the corner and ran into 2 otter,all what was left of the mink was a smear on the snow.Only saw this once mind you so draw your own conclusions whether it happens often.They might be inclined to have a sniff to see what the mink has been up to and how recently
Dan'l

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Re: How many have found a useful lure for otter. [Re: Freepop] #737256
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Never had a chance to use lenon's Otter Super All Call on Otter. I know it is a good canine lure.


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Re: How many have found a useful lure for otter. [Re: griffondog] #737266
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Sorry Asa thats why i asked as i have never gotten a catalog from you. But if you would send a catalog i would definately check it out. But i see you were on the same track as me. The passion ingrediant being asofetida reaaly gets there attention. Along with the castor. Thanks for the ideas guys there some great insight here for me.



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Re: How many have found a useful lure for otter. [Re: deerhunter65347] #737286
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Mink urine/gland lures work fairly well on otter too. Ace

Re: How many have found a useful lure for otter. [Re: Asa Lenon] #737302
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I keep the glands from my mink for just such and occasion. But dont save the urine. But i know mink gland will be added to the above mention formula. Thanks for the info ASA.



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Re: How many have found a useful lure for otter. [Re: deerhunter65347] #737834
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Not legal to catch here in Illinois. However I do catch a few each year in coon pipe sets with Fatal Attraction.

Re: How many have found a useful lure for otter. [Re: Jim Bethell] #737970
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I should really keep this to myself, but................try skunk meat tossed into artificial burrow holes along steam banks.


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Re: How many have found a useful lure for otter. [Re: newhouse114] #738020
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 Originally Posted By: newhouse114
I should really keep this to myself, but................try skunk meat tossed into artificial burrow holes along steam banks.


unsure if you're refereing to just the red meat or along with the "AROMA" ... ??? ... if with ... I think that lil tidbit is credible info as I feel the skunkyness is part of the draw when it comes to catching incidental otter in dryland predator sets ... or at least a one of the many variables \:\)

Re: How many have found a useful lure for otter. [Re: ] #738100
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I use alot of skunk quil in all my call lures and have caught otter on it as well. Now wouldnt it be nice to have a bait and lure that would make a good set on dry land for otter. As i know for a fact they have no problems navigating large tracks of timber. Or large open fields. Just need to figure out the whys and what are they after.



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Re: How many have found a useful lure for otter. [Re: deerhunter65347] #738195
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http://www.trapperartssupply.com sells a great otter lure called water predator.......wildman


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Re: How many have found a useful lure for otter. [Re: wildman 97] #738621
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With the skunk, it doesn't seem to matter. I have used whole carcasses and just chunks of meat with equal results. I will often whack an otter in a conibear immediately after catching a skunk so a "touch" of stinky doesn't hurt anything.


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Re: How many have found a useful lure for otter. [Re: newhouse114] #738735
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Ive used skunk carcases for ecverthing it seems but never used them for otter i will definately give that a shot this season as well. There some good info coming in.



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Re: How many have found a useful lure for otter. [Re: deerhunter65347] #738758
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mink and muskrat glands mixed togather.


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Re: How many have found a useful lure for otter. [Re: Bruce T] #738811
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As i see it now its got to have mink glands, muskrat glands,skunk quill, beaver castor, And for the meat base a combination beaver, mink, muskrat and skunk. Add enough glycerin for a good mix and sodium benzowait for stability and i think we might be in business!



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Re: How many have found a useful lure for otter. [Re: deerhunter65347] #739468
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One of the best lures for otter is toilet materials from an otter toilet. Those little piles of grass, leaves, dirt, etc that have been urinated and rolled on. I know of a trapper that would soak little tags of carpeting in otter urine and use those to get otter into cage traps for his ADC work on docks. He used to catch 100+ per year this way.

Having said all this...I insist that blind setting is the real trick for otter, as lures have always produced inconsistant results for me. A squeaker will help get otter up a trail from the water's edge as well. But has to be set far enough back (6 feet or more) as they won't come right up to it like a coon will. They seem to just want to eye ball it and will approach raised up on their haunches.


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