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Foundation/ wall fix on cabin? #7370553
10/03/21 06:15 PM
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So Iím in the process of purchasing a property that is in
Pretty good shape except the one side of the cabin is built into the dirt about
4 feet and the wall is pushing in a bit and dirt has made its way into the wall
And the floor has a dip to it. There is no concrete or or pillars that I have found on this side that I have found
What would be your advice for a fix.? Iíll post a couple pics so you can see what Iíll be dealing with. Thanks

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Re: Foundation/ wall fix on cabin? [Re: NE Wildlife] #7370633
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If that's wood below grade, I'd plan to tear it down and build new. I think there's going to be a lot of damage and when it's done, you'll still have wood below grade.

If it's sitting on the ground (and not in the ground), jack the whole thing up 18" and put it on concrete footings and piers. I'd want to get it off the ground. Not sure how this is framed but I'm going to bet there is a lot of rot that you can't see.


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Re: Foundation/ wall fix on cabin? [Re: NE Wildlife] #7370637
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Re: Foundation/ wall fix on cabin? [Re: NE Wildlife] #7370640
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Re: Foundation/ wall fix on cabin? [Re: NE Wildlife] #7370650
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Yeah I was going to say raise it 4 feet but I agree you most likely have rotten floor joists, sole plates, and probably a few wall studs rotted on the bottom ends.


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Re: Foundation/ wall fix on cabin? [Re: NE Wildlife] #7370653
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Tearing it down isnít a option for me and with the grandfathered clause due to how close it is to the water.
So I have to fix it. I was thinking of getting a mini backhoe and digging around the two sides so I can see what
Iím dealing with a little better. The place is around 70 years old and lasted this long under ground surprisingly.



Re: Foundation/ wall fix on cabin? [Re: NE Wildlife] #7370656
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Most cabins up north are built on timber laying on the ground, depending on when they were orginaly built. You may have a problem with carpenter ants, and if you do almost guarentee your timbers are all chewed to crap. Like maintence guy said "jack it up if you can get under it and put in pillars and new timber, and do a good inspection. You will have to do a cost projection, to see if it even justified or tear it down. The thing with cabins you don't know what half-brained idea the person came up with that built it.
70 years old more than likely just timbers on the ground.

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Re: Foundation/ wall fix on cabin? [Re: NE Wildlife] #7370674
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Originally Posted by NE Wildlife
Tearing it down isnít a option for me and with the grandfathered clause due to how close it is to the water.
So I have to fix it. I was thinking of getting a mini backhoe and digging around the two sides so I can see what
Iím dealing with a little better. The place is around 70 years old and lasted this long under ground surprisingly.



That sounds like a place to start then. Get that dirt away so you can jack it up and replace the bad stuff.

No idea what sort of permitting you may need to do but I'll tell you a true story from many years ago that you MIGHT consider.

My late father in law owned an island in Daytona Beach. There was a recreation hall on the island that he wanted to tear down and rebuild . City wouldn't give him a permit EXCEPT to remodel the building.

Being a structural engineer and a devious guy who hated government, he built a completely new building inside the old one....BUT connected to one existing wall.

Then we tore down the old shell. The city didn't like it but he complied with the letter of the permit laugh


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Re: Foundation/ wall fix on cabin? [Re: NE Wildlife] #7371039
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Need to dig around it. Create a swale if possible and replace the rot.

Re: Foundation/ wall fix on cabin? [Re: NE Wildlife] #7371049
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I inherited a cabin my great uncle built in the 1930s that was sinking into the ground. I took a weeks vacation and jacked it up, tore out the flooring, the sills and any rotted 2 X 4s that needed attention. It was a chore but I got it done. Came out great. It was right on the water and grandfathered in like yours.

Re: Foundation/ wall fix on cabin? [Re: NE Wildlife] #7371056
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Loose dirt subsidence requires excavation and tamping, draining, and shoring up. Itís not too hard to do, not even that time consuming. But it has to be done right, or youíll be back where you started in a few years.
Have you considered gutting the structure down to the framing, pouring a concrete floor, and adding some pillars or other retaining devices that will provide support?
Is there a nearby source of clean or screened aggregate?

Re: Foundation/ wall fix on cabin? [Re: NE Wildlife] #7371133
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The front and one side of the cabin has concrete pillars and
Treated posts under it. However this side I donít believe is going to
Have that because I think the front was done when a small addition was
Put onto it, maybe it does but has been under that dirt and water coming off the hill drains
Right into it the way the landscape is. As soon as Iím able Iím go into divert the rainwater and dig out
Around three feet around it and see if there is any kind of supports or if it was just built on the dirt..
if I pull up the sub floor I may get a better idea of whatís under there. The other downfall is that itís the side
Of the cabin with the well and septic. Could be a can of worms to tackle it this fall.



Re: Foundation/ wall fix on cabin? [Re: NE Wildlife] #7371134
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Hopefully the well and septic are well spaced shocked


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Re: Foundation/ wall fix on cabin? [Re: NE Wildlife] #7371135
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Looks like some sweat equity but will be well worth it to me. I usually tackle stuff like this when I shouldn't, ha. Good luck!


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Re: Foundation/ wall fix on cabin? [Re: NE Wildlife] #7371136
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It looks like a job for the Maine Cabin Masters!


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Re: Foundation/ wall fix on cabin? [Re: NE Wildlife] #7371144
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White, they are also grandfathered in because they are close lol
I will most definitely get the water tested tho



Re: Foundation/ wall fix on cabin? [Re: NE Wildlife] #7371145
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Originally Posted by NE Wildlife
White, they are also grandfathered in because they are close lol
I will most definitely get the water tested tho



Good idea. It could literally be a can of worms LOL !


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Re: Foundation/ wall fix on cabin? [Re: NE Wildlife] #7371174
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Since you can't tear it down and have to fix it...can you fix it by replacing the bottom 24" with concrete block? Saw cut all the way around the cabin cutting off the bottom 2 feet. Set the top aside. If footings and a foundation wall are an option - do that. If not, build 3 courses of concrete block to replace the rotted bottoms of the wall.

Since you won't have any footing for the block to sit on, the block will quickly shift and come apart. So, use bond beam block for all three courses and grout solid with concrete and rebar.

Nail a sole plate to the bottom of the wall and set the top down on your concrete block. Build a nice little shelf for nick-knacks where the block is wider than the walls.


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Re: Foundation/ wall fix on cabin? [Re: NE Wildlife] #7371251
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Any wood you replace with ground contact needs to be pressure treated or rot proof like Cedar/Osage Orange.


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Re: Foundation/ wall fix on cabin? [Re: NE Wildlife] #7371258
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Originally Posted by NE Wildlife
Tearing it down isnít a option for me and with the grandfathered clause due to how close it is to the water.
So I have to fix it. I was thinking of getting a mini backhoe and digging around the two sides so I can see what
Iím dealing with a little better. The place is around 70 years old and lasted this long under ground surprisingly.

I wonder if you can tear down 2 or even 3 of the walls and it would only be a remodel.

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