Foundation/ wall fix on cabin?updated fix
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10/03/21 07:15 PM
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So I’m in the process of purchasing a property that is in Pretty good shape except the one side of the cabin is built into the dirt about 4 feet and the wall is pushing in a bit and dirt has made its way into the wall And the floor has a dip to it. There is no concrete or or pillars that I have found on this side that I have found What would be your advice for a fix.? I’ll post a couple pics so you can see what I’ll be dealing with. Thanks
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Re: Foundation/ wall fix on cabin?
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10/03/21 08:35 PM
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If that's wood below grade, I'd plan to tear it down and build new. I think there's going to be a lot of damage and when it's done, you'll still have wood below grade.
If it's sitting on the ground (and not in the ground), jack the whole thing up 18" and put it on concrete footings and piers. I'd want to get it off the ground. Not sure how this is framed but I'm going to bet there is a lot of rot that you can't see.
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Re: Foundation/ wall fix on cabin?
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10/03/21 08:54 PM
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Tearing it down isn’t a option for me and with the grandfathered clause due to how close it is to the water. So I have to fix it. I was thinking of getting a mini backhoe and digging around the two sides so I can see what I’m dealing with a little better. The place is around 70 years old and lasted this long under ground surprisingly.
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Re: Foundation/ wall fix on cabin?
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10/03/21 08:56 PM
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Most cabins up north are built on timber laying on the ground, depending on when they were orginaly built. You may have a problem with carpenter ants, and if you do almost guarentee your timbers are all chewed to crap. Like maintence guy said "jack it up if you can get under it and put in pillars and new timber, and do a good inspection. You will have to do a cost projection, to see if it even justified or tear it down. The thing with cabins you don't know what half-brained idea the person came up with that built it. 70 years old more than likely just timbers on the ground.
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Re: Foundation/ wall fix on cabin?
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10/03/21 09:07 PM
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Tearing it down isn’t a option for me and with the grandfathered clause due to how close it is to the water. So I have to fix it. I was thinking of getting a mini backhoe and digging around the two sides so I can see what I’m dealing with a little better. The place is around 70 years old and lasted this long under ground surprisingly. That sounds like a place to start then. Get that dirt away so you can jack it up and replace the bad stuff. No idea what sort of permitting you may need to do but I'll tell you a true story from many years ago that you MIGHT consider. My late father in law owned an island in Daytona Beach. There was a recreation hall on the island that he wanted to tear down and rebuild . City wouldn't give him a permit EXCEPT to remodel the building. Being a structural engineer and a devious guy who hated government, he built a completely new building inside the old one....BUT connected to one existing wall. Then we tore down the old shell. The city didn't like it but he complied with the letter of the permit
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Re: Foundation/ wall fix on cabin?
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10/04/21 01:24 PM
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The front and one side of the cabin has concrete pillars and Treated posts under it. However this side I don’t believe is going to Have that because I think the front was done when a small addition was Put onto it, maybe it does but has been under that dirt and water coming off the hill drains Right into it the way the landscape is. As soon as I’m able I’m go into divert the rainwater and dig out Around three feet around it and see if there is any kind of supports or if it was just built on the dirt.. if I pull up the sub floor I may get a better idea of what’s under there. The other downfall is that it’s the side Of the cabin with the well and septic. Could be a can of worms to tackle it this fall.
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Re: Foundation/ wall fix on cabin?
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10/04/21 01:31 PM
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Looks like some sweat equity but will be well worth it to me. I usually tackle stuff like this when I shouldn't, ha. Good luck!
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Re: Foundation/ wall fix on cabin?
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10/04/21 01:32 PM
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It looks like a job for the Maine Cabin Masters!
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Re: Foundation/ wall fix on cabin?
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Since you can't tear it down and have to fix it...can you fix it by replacing the bottom 24" with concrete block? Saw cut all the way around the cabin cutting off the bottom 2 feet. Set the top aside. If footings and a foundation wall are an option - do that. If not, build 3 courses of concrete block to replace the rotted bottoms of the wall.
Since you won't have any footing for the block to sit on, the block will quickly shift and come apart. So, use bond beam block for all three courses and grout solid with concrete and rebar.
Nail a sole plate to the bottom of the wall and set the top down on your concrete block. Build a nice little shelf for nick-knacks where the block is wider than the walls.
-Ryan
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Re: Foundation/ wall fix on cabin?
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Any wood you replace with ground contact needs to be pressure treated or rot proof like Cedar/Osage Orange.
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Re: Foundation/ wall fix on cabin?
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Tearing it down isn’t a option for me and with the grandfathered clause due to how close it is to the water. So I have to fix it. I was thinking of getting a mini backhoe and digging around the two sides so I can see what I’m dealing with a little better. The place is around 70 years old and lasted this long under ground surprisingly. I wonder if you can tear down 2 or even 3 of the walls and it would only be a remodel.
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