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Cussed and threatened by coworker #7372986
10/06/21 03:57 PM
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I got cussed by a coworker today that has a history of cussing people out at work. It was the 4th time in my 8 years at the company by this same individual. We are a small company of just 12 employees and the 3 times this happened before I did not retaliate but instead held me tongue and had a talk with the boss (who also happens to be the business owner) about it and he "had a talk with him". The last time it happened I told the boss that I would not take a cussing from him in silence again and today was the last straw. The coworker in question yelled across a small thoroughfare between our respective shops that I was a Fat SOB and a string of other profanity and I replied that he needed to shut his #&@$ mouth and it then devolved into a heated back and forth that ended in him standing in my door threatening to beat me to a pulp and me holding a 3 foot pry bar at the ready in the event I had to defend myself. Now we have both left work and I told my boss that if that employee was there tomorrow I would not be. My question is what actions can I take if they do not do the right thing and fire him? And did I kill all my chances of any legal action by sticking up for myself? I never once threatened him just verbal cursing in which I told him he needed to shut up and go home. I hate to put the company which is severely behind and short handed in any more of a bind than it's already in because I like the place and people and I consider the boss a friend but I don't think he is going to fire this coworker and I'm not working with that individual any longer. All the boss had to say was "you're sure putting me in a bind because I need both of you, I'll have a talk with him." In my opinion a stern talking to is not what is needed as he's had them with this individual before and it never lasts very long and the incidents get more loud and violent every time.

Re: Cussed and threatened by coworker [Re: Davisfur] #7372992
10/06/21 04:08 PM
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The secret to winning any violent conflict is to be first, with the most. You left it go to far. Actions speak louder than words. When he opened his mouth you should have shut it for him

Re: Cussed and threatened by coworker [Re: Davisfur] #7372995
10/06/21 04:09 PM
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Terrible situation. One bad apple can spoil the bunch. Maybe your boss will see that.


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Re: Cussed and threatened by coworker [Re: Davisfur] #7372997
10/06/21 04:10 PM
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Call the cops to get an official record about it, and I'm sure that will capture the Boss' attention.
Not sure who to call, but harassment like that is against Federal and state laws. There should be a sign posted in a conspicuous place near the time clock, or some kind of employee notice board, also Federal law, that details your rights. Read it.
I expect Ok has some kind of State Employment office that will have a human rights dept. you can contact.
Sounds like your Boss doesn't want to be bothered by all this, make enough noise and force him into action. You can sue him, and I'm sure he's aware if it, for not taking care of this. Good luck, You don't have to put up with this crap!


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Re: Cussed and threatened by coworker [Re: Kevin Colpetzer] #7372999
10/06/21 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevin Colpetzer
The secret to winning any violent conflict is to be first, with the most. You left it go to far. Actions speak louder than words. When he opened his mouth you should have shut it for him

Very bad idea! You need to take the high road and stay legal as long as you can.


Every kid needs a Dog and a Curmudgeon.

Remember Bowe Bergdahl, the traitor.

Beware! Jill Pudlewski, Ron Oates and Keven Begesse are liars and thiefs!
Re: Cussed and threatened by coworker [Re: Davisfur] #7373000
10/06/21 04:14 PM
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I feel bad for you. Not a good spot to be in. I’d be watching my 6 and packing heat. This day and age guys like you described scare me. I would definitely have another sit down with the boss.


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Re: Cussed and threatened by coworker [Re: Davisfur] #7373001
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I'm not sure I would want to work for an employer that found any value in someone that acted that way in the workplace. A personal attack on a fellow employee would not have had an opportunity to happen a 2nd time. Not much of an example for other employees to follow, imo.

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Re: Cussed and threatened by coworker [Re: Davisfur] #7373002
10/06/21 04:19 PM
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Boss is definitely liable as he knows its happening. Its his responsibility to get him gone.

Re: Cussed and threatened by coworker [Re: Davisfur] #7373004
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Just leave....plenty of jobs around...the Boss will call you back and then you can name your price. If not ..your not in a toxic environment anymore.


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Re: Cussed and threatened by coworker [Re: Davisfur] #7373007
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I made it a point to keep enough of my wits about me as to not make any threats against him but I did stand my ground and fire back verbally. He was close enough to me and was threatening to the point that had I been armed (which is not permitted at work or I would have been) I would have used force against him. I'm a big strong guy but out of shape. This guy is lean and muscled and up until a couple of years ago fought MMA at some of the local Indian casinos. I'm not toeing the line with a guy like that. I hate this because it may very well be the death of our small company. We are both shop foremen over our respective shops and it will be a big loss either way it goes. The boss has wanted to fire this guy for a couple of years due to poor attendance, leaving whenever he feels like it and of course treating coworkers like garbage and being a general cancer to the company (the bosses own words) but won't do it because "we are shorthanded and behind and can't afford to lose anybody." Today was the first words spoken between this coworker and myself since the last time I had to go to the boss about him 4 or 5 months ago.

Re: Cussed and threatened by coworker [Re: Davisfur] #7373008
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Sounds like a serious Situation. I'm not sure how I would handle it but you have already shown more restraint than I would have.

I am interested to see how Savell would solve the issue.

Re: Cussed and threatened by coworker [Re: Nessmuck] #7373009
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Originally Posted by Nessmuck
Just leave....plenty of jobs around...the Boss will call you back and then you can name your price. If not ..your not in a toxic environment anymore.

Best option for u here. A year down the road you will be glad it happened. The boss will make his choice then u can make yours. Legal action will just be a headache and waste of time.

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Re: Cussed and threatened by coworker [Re: Davisfur] #7373012
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Oh we all know that Savell would have slap tamed him in a heartbeat but I don't have that much Texas in me. I went straight from the shop to the bosses farm where he was planting wheat and got him off the tractor and explained the situation.

Re: Cussed and threatened by coworker [Re: Davisfur] #7373016
10/06/21 04:36 PM
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What started the argument?

If you were clearly in the right. I would walk if they don't fire your adversary. There's way more decent jobs than there is decent employees right now.

Keith

Re: Cussed and threatened by coworker [Re: Davisfur] #7373020
10/06/21 04:40 PM
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Knowing what you know and feeling the fear you felt, it could have already been over with by now. Eminent danger does not have to be communicated physically to justify a response.

Sounds like you are about to change jobs.


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Re: Cussed and threatened by coworker [Re: Davisfur] #7373024
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It started because I was in our only employee bathroom answering the call of nature and he got something in his eye from not wearing safety glasses and needed the eye wash which is in the first aid kit in the bathroom. But instead of knocking on the door amd explaining the situation he decided to go off the handle and throw a fit. So when he saw me walk from the break room (where our bathroom is) back into my shop he started hurling obscenities, and threats at me for being in the bathroom. It started with "stay out of the GD bathroom you fat SOB!" and that was the point at which I told him to shut his bleeping mouth. This is the most legitimate reason he has ever had for cussing me. The first time was because I came into his shop and fixed an iron worker that the boss didn't want anybody but me fixing because I'm experienced in that area. Second time was because I told the boss about something he did that got him a talking to and the third time was when he came to my pickup and yelled at me for being 10 minutes over on my afternoon break even though I had worked 20 minutes into my break to finish what I was doing. All three of these incidents were reported to the boss but there was never anything formal put on record. Just got him a "talking to." The third time was when I told the boss I would not stand down from him again.

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Re: Cussed and threatened by coworker [Re: Davisfur] #7373026
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Yup, its new job day. The boss will call you back but you have some sort of skills to be foreman so take them else where TODAY. Why spend money to hire a lawyer just prove a point? You said you like the owner so why sue him. Just leave. If he values you like you seem to think he does he will be calling as soon as you are late tomorrow. If he doesn't you will have a new job quick and not be threatened by a mma journeyman who clearly has a loose nut or two upstairs. Do you have a family? If so what will they do if you get hurt real bad? Sure you will be entitled to a nice settlement but then the business you don't want to ruin will be ruined anyhow and you won't see a penny till your bills are past due and house is in foreclosure. What then?


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Re: Cussed and threatened by coworker [Re: Davisfur] #7373027
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I want to hear coonman's take, lol.

Seriously though, I would leave. No job is worth all that nonsense. Especially now when everyone is begging for help. Go find a new job tomorrow that pays even better and be done with it.

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You have basically two choices-leave or knock the guys teeth out with the crowbar.

Re: Cussed and threatened by coworker [Re: Davisfur] #7373030
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Yikes! “Something bad about to happen“.


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