Re: Cussed and threatened by coworker
[Re: Davisfur]
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Afraid to say how'd I deal with that..
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Re: Cussed and threatened by coworker
[Re: Davisfur]
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IF the other guy gets fired be very aware of your surroundings for a few weeks at least. Some guys don't like being let go.
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Re: Cussed and threatened by coworker
[Re: Davisfur]
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Yeah Hobbie I'm afraid so. I've hit a side gig relief pumping for a buddy but it's not too consistent. May be time to try for my own pumping route. Sometimes it takes being pushed into other adventures to realize our potential. I don’t know you but guidance prayers never hurt anybody...........except Moses. lol Just kidding.
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Re: Cussed and threatened by coworker
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You make valid points and I appreciate everybody's input. I do have a wife but no children just a spoiled rotten cur dog and yard full of hounds. My vehicles and house are all paid for no large debt just normal utilities and such. I have a feeling that if he and I meet again it will not go so well for him. I told the boss (who is a huge 2A supporter) exactly what I said above about using lethal force to defend myself and he didn't seem to like it much. I guess that's why he doesn't want us armed at work.
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Re: Cussed and threatened by coworker
[Re: Davisfur]
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You make valid points and I appreciate everybody's input. I do have a wife but no children just a spoiled rotten cur dog. My vehicles and house are all paid for no large debt just normal utilities and such. If she’s a goodun, she’ll ride shotgun on the adventure with you. The wife I’m talking about, not the cur.
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Re: Cussed and threatened by coworker
[Re: Davisfur]
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I made it a point to keep enough of my wits about me as to not make any threats against him but I did stand my ground and fire back verbally. He was close enough to me and was threatening to the point that had I been armed (which is not permitted at work or I would have been) I would have used force against him. I'm a big strong guy but out of shape. This guy is lean and muscled and up until a couple of years ago fought MMA at some of the local Indian casinos. I'm not toeing the line with a guy like that. I hate this because it may very well be the death of our small company. We are both shop foremen over our respective shops and it will be a big loss either way it goes. The boss has wanted to fire this guy for a couple of years due to poor attendance, leaving whenever he feels like it and of course treating coworkers like garbage and being a general cancer to the company (the bosses own words) but won't do it because "we are shorthanded and behind and can't afford to lose anybody." Today was the first words spoken between this coworker and myself since the last time I had to go to the boss about him 4 or 5 months ago. That MMA thing explains a lot! File a complaint with your states Employment Agency. He sounds like the kind of bunghole to maybe hunt you down even if you do quit. Get everything on the record.
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Re: Cussed and threatened by coworker
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As Johnny Paycheck would say.....” Take this Job and Shove it...I ain’t working here No More “...Sounds like the guy has had the oxygen to his brain ...interrupted one too many times.
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Re: Cussed and threatened by coworker
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Your boss is a wimp. Trouble makers cause production to slow down!
As an employer I have learned that bad eggs have to go even if it damages business. He doesn’t know it but the hot head controls his business!
There is something else that can be a problem and just happened to me. Hard drugs are another problem in these times. A lot worse than I have ever witnessed. Just had to fire a guy for taking a sledge hammer to some equipment and for no apparent reason. When I hired him he looked healthy and over the months he became super thin. I found out that he had just got out of rehab. He challenged a crew of electricians. They refused to work in the same building as he was.
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Re: Cussed and threatened by coworker
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It started because I was in our only employee bathroom answering the call of nature and he got something in his eye from not wearing safety glasses and needed the eye wash which is in the first aid kit in the bathroom. But instead of knocking on the door amd explaining the situation he decided to go off the handle and throw a fit. So when he saw me walk from the break room (where our bathroom is) back into my shop he started hurling obscenities, and threats at me for being in the bathroom. It started with "stay out of the GD bathroom you fat SOB!" and that was the point at which I told him to shut his bleeping mouth. This is the most legitimate reason he has ever had for cussing me. The first time was because I came into his shop and fixed an iron worker that the boss didn't want anybody but me fixing because I'm experienced in that area. Second time was because I told the boss about something he did that got him a talking to and the third time was when he came to my pickup and yelled at me for being 10 minutes over on my afternoon break even though I had worked 20 minutes into my break to finish what I was doing. All three of these incidents were reported to the boss but there was never anything formal put on record. Just got him a "talking to." The third time was when I told the boss I would not stand down from him again. You were in the right all 4 times from what you shared. I would not work a single day more there unless they fired your adversary immediately. If you feel the same way, make sure your boss clearly understands that and immediately walk if he doesn't fire your adversary immediately. You should not have to put up with childish crap like that at work. By the way, you are only legally justified in using deadly force to prevent death or serious bodily injury to yourself or another. Serious bodily injury involves substantial risk of death, protracted and obvious disfigurement, or protracted loss or impairment of the function of a bodily member or organ or mental faculty You can't legally use deadly force to prevent just getting beaten up. Keith
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Re: Cussed and threatened by coworker
[Re: Davisfur]
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This may be the deciding factor for the owner of your company to put a boot in this guys arse once and for all.
Since you are both in some type of a supervisory position, I'd think your boss wouldn't want the rest of his employees to witness this kind of behavior. What kind of message does this send to the rest of the employees in the company? The next thing that seems to happen in situations like this is, now the other guy wants to start pitting his people against your people, in an attempt to get even or over on you. This is only bad for business and helps no one, especially your boss. In a factory, there are most likely witnesses to back up your story. Ask your boss/ owner to speak with them to verify what you told him.
I've always believed there should be no lesson learned from the second kick of a mule. Putting up with this abuse once was bad enough. Putting up with it four times is ridiculous.
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Re: Cussed and threatened by coworker
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You were in the right all 4 times from what you shared. I would not work a single day more there unless they fired your adversary immediately. If you feel the same way, make sure your boss clearly understands that and immediately walk if he doesn't fire your adversary immediately. You should not have to put up with childish crap like that at work.
By the way, you are only legally justified in using deadly force to prevent death or serious bodily injury to yourself or another. Serious bodily injury involves substantial risk of death, protracted and obvious disfigurement, or protracted loss or impairment of the function of a bodily member or organ or mental faculty
You can't legally use deadly force to prevent just getting beaten up.
Keith Hmmm, had a couple guys in the warehouse get into it. Things got heated and the trouble maker made a move on the abused. The abused punched him in the throat, he run off and died. No charges filed after the interviews were conducted. Not sure how much crap you have to eat in Oklahoma but here you apparently don't have to take a beating to defend your position. If the abused had a reasonable, legitimate fear of serious bodily injury or death he was justified in using deadly force. Anyone who is involved in a situation where they kill someone should always talk to a lawyer representing them before talking to law enforcement, even if they believe they were fully acting within in the law. The words you use are very, very important when describing what happened to law enforcement or the prosecutor. Keith
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Re: Cussed and threatened by coworker
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It started because I was in our only employee bathroom answering the call of nature and he got something in his eye from not wearing safety glasses and needed the eye wash which is in the first aid kit in the bathroom. But instead of knocking on the door amd explaining the situation he decided to go off the handle and throw a fit. So when he saw me walk from the break room (where our bathroom is) back into my shop he started hurling obscenities, and threats at me for being in the bathroom. It started with "stay out of the GD bathroom you fat SOB!" and that was the point at which I told him to shut his bleeping mouth. This is the most legitimate reason he has ever had for cussing me. The first time was because I came into his shop and fixed an iron worker that the boss didn't want anybody but me fixing because I'm experienced in that area. Second time was because I told the boss about something he did that got him a talking to and the third time was when he came to my pickup and yelled at me for being 10 minutes over on my afternoon break even though I had worked 20 minutes into my break to finish what I was doing. All three of these incidents were reported to the boss but there was never anything formal put on record. Just got him a "talking to." The third time was when I told the boss I would not stand down from him again. You were in the right all 4 times from what you shared. I would not work a single day more there unless they fired your adversary immediately. If you feel the same way, make sure your boss clearly understands that and immediately walk if he doesn't fire your adversary immediately. You should not have to put up with childish crap like that at work. By the way, you are only legally justified in using deadly force to prevent death or serious bodily injury to yourself or another. Serious bodily injury involves substantial risk of death, protracted and obvious disfigurement, or protracted loss or impairment of the function of a bodily member or organ or mental faculty You can't legally use deadly force to prevent just getting beaten up. Keith Just what is your definition of "getting beaten up"? At almost 60 years old I ain't taking even a light beating, by my definition. When the cops come, the only words they hear from me are " I was in fear for my life, officer I want to speak to a lawyer"
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Re: Cussed and threatened by coworker
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If the abused had a reasonable, legitimate fear of serious bodily injury or death he was justified in using deadly force.
Anyone who is involved in a situation where they kill someone should always talk to a lawyer representing them before talking to law enforcement, even if they believe they were fully acting within in the law. The words you use are very, very important when describing what happened to law enforcement or the prosecutor.
Keith
Of course, all this varies greatly by state. In some states you can shoot someone breaking into your empty car. In other states you can't even shoot them after they break into your home with you in it. But I agree with saying nothing to the police before your lawyer gets there either way.
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