You should have took the crowbar to him. Weekends in jail arent that bad, you can take a nap.

I know when I have a problem, I ask people on the interwebs.

What did your uncle have to say?

The owner is not your friend or a boss if he won't step up. He knows this will blow over and neither of you will do any thing by past actions. It kind of like sitting a poker table put up or fold. If you go for it you have a chance but if you fold you walk away from the table you loose. After reading all these post I would say you have already folded. One excuse after another to not do anything. So tell me to shut up and go to (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman).

Uncle was ride or die with me he was ready to kill the guy himself and save me the trouble. And I will not tell you that Rex you are entitled to your opinion just like everybody else is. If I wasn't open to all opinions I wouldn't have put it on the "interweb".

Seiling

Unless the boss grows him some cajoles that place is going to fold up sooner or later. He is putting the decision on you as he knows it has worked in the past.

Its time to grow a set and bust some heads or find something else to do. I would crowbar the boss second.

If said miscreant looks really tough, get a bigger stick. You only live once, might as well have a little excitement.

I never minded jail in small town oklahoma, they always got food from the cafe.

If you really want to stay there. Tell the owner maybe it's time you move up the Ladder.
He needs help.
You can do it.

Use your skills.
No place but up.
Always have a plan for a positive outcome if a change is gonna happen.
You have a lot of control on your future right now.
Tell the owner Up the ladder or the guy goes.
Just my opinion on a better future.
If the guy leaves big deal someone will step up to the job.

Every job, and every employee are replaceable in every case. Their is much more to the O/P story than being told. Coming from a mill operator with 14 rough and tumble men, that work hard and play harder. 4 of which are tough take no crap foremen at each work area.

So in small town Oklahoma you can't quit a job to try something different. Well that's interesting. Changes my thoughts on Oklahoma a bit. The guys must only date 1 girl in their life and that's it.

I never said someone can't quit a job to try something different. I left a 12 year career as a Ford certified Master diesel mechanic to work in the welding shop I'm in now. What I'm saying is the owner of this company is a well known influential man in this area and if I do him wrong before I have another job secured there likely won't be anyone willing to hire a guy that walked out and left his employer high and dry and hanging in the wind. And as far as dating goes there are a lot of people I know who married and are still married to the first girl they dated including my granddad, dad, a cousin and 4 friends in high school that married thier first high school sweetheart. Is that a problem?

There really isn't anything else to the story. It boils down to the boss will not fire the guy unless I push his hand because as far behind as we are he is terrified of losing people seeing as how there have been no knocks on the door looking for a job. The last guy we hired was over 2 years ago and he's still here. Since he started there has been 2 job applications put in and both were rejected because the applicants were known thieves and drug addicts from the area. The last one of those applied over a year and a half ago. The boss has mentioned several times that he has thought about hiring south African workers like a lot of farmers have been doing but they have to be provided a house, vehicle and at least $15 an hour and he thinks that's too steep for guys without skills.

I'll tell you what.............with your qualifications and experience you could make a much better living elsewhere working for yourself. Not criticizing whatever decision you make. Just saying that you have very marketable skills.

He was also kicked off the local adult men's softball league for getting in a confrontation with a much older and physically weaker man than himself that ended with the older gentlemen producing a handgun and politely telling him he needed to leave. [/quote]

Sounds like that man figured it out

Well I've been reading all the posts and can't resist any longer so now here's my two cents in.
Has your boss considered posting job listings further away? as in broadening the horizons? Because unless there aren't many homes for sale in your community and $20/hr would sustain a small family in OK then there should be a few takers from out of town. But then again it is still a gamble.
And I am also with a earlier commenter about asking to be promoted to basically a GM type roll so the owner can do his thing while you can have full control what happens with hiring and what not. At least that's what I would do if I was the owner. So if you do get promoted, it'll give the guy basically a warning saying that his adversary is now his boss and it may drive him away without you firing him, and it won't make it look like your a bad guy in your town. And if he stays, then give him a warning that if he doesn't behave himself that you will be forced to let him go. But that's all if you can convince the owner to let you become GM, or better yet, buy part of the company and become part owner.
I have also witnessed a somewhat similar situation workout with a former coworker who didn't exactly get fired but was told to leave on there own so that they didn't get fired because if they didn't she would've. For she did a few things that even though we were starving for workers, it still wasn't worth it to keep her on. That's with paid training and everything.
But no matter what happens, I hope and pray that it'll workout for you in whatever way you take.

Sincerely in God's love

PVT Samuel Davis

Davisfur
We are working right now on a job on a military base and one of the sub contractors has a crew of Haitians. The only problem is they don’t speak English. The South African workers in your area might be a better option then the other options you mentioned!

Sounds like that man figured it out[/quote

The people in Skidmore, Missouri took care of their town bully. People get a belly full of abuse the table can turn.

Ken McElroy. Good riddance !

Nope nothing wrong with staying with the first girl you date at all. I know people that did the same. I wish you the best of luck. It's easy to avoid the drama if you want to.

Sometimes what seems like the easiest way isn't the best way and what's right isn't always the best option either. I know that the easy route is to walk out and take a better job somewhere regardless of whether I have to move to be closer to it but like I stated before I can not move away from this area at this point in my life for family reasons. Therefore I'm stuck with what jobs are available within reasonable driving distance. Jobs that could very well be dependant on what action I take towards the company I'm at. Also like I said before my boss is a pretty influential guy in this area and he's a member of the second largest church /gossip mill in this town and is friendly with half the people from the largest one.

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