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Is Rat a Rat? #7375727
10/10/21 07:59 AM
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Was talking to a couple accomplished trappers on scout day in the swamp. Told them Robin said not to buy a unit this year. Figures rats are too cheap. They both perked up, their wives had the same sentiments, citing markets, age and time away.

Wayne offered an alternative, ďif I donít buy a unit, Iím heading to ND for 2 months. Least this way Iím home every night.Ē

That statement redirected the conversation. He went on to say how a rat just isnít a rat. Or a coyote a coyote. ND rats are much easier to trap. They climb on everything and will even step in traps that are sitting out of water. And coyotes, they actually respond to calls said he shot as many as 7 in one day where at home one a week if youíre luck y.

I also recall another fella a few years ago that struggled all winter to catch 400 here, in the marsh, went out there and caught 4000.

Am I missing the boat?

Re: Is Rat a Rat? [Re: nimzy] #7375756
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Work Harder?
Work Smarter?
Follow the Water?

Rats need water, and there was a shortage of it from Minnesota and west this year. You might be better off heading east to where it rained all summer long!


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Re: Is Rat a Rat? [Re: nimzy] #7375767
10/10/21 08:45 AM
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Don't go too far East, we had rain all summer, lots of water, still no muskrats.


I got myself a seniors' GPS.
Not only does it tell me how to get to my destination,
it tells me why I wanted to go there.
Re: Is Rat a Rat? [Re: nimzy] #7375796
10/10/21 09:28 AM
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Trap while your able, tomorrow is promised to no one.

Re: Is Rat a Rat? [Re: nimzy] #7375799
10/10/21 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by nimzy
Was talking to a couple accomplished trappers on scout day in the swamp. Told them Robin said not to buy a unit this year. Figures rats are too cheap. They both perked up, their wives had the same sentiments, citing markets, age and time away.

Wayne offered an alternative, ďif I donít buy a unit, Iím heading to ND for 2 months. Least this way Iím home every night.Ē

That statement redirected the conversation. He went on to say how a rat just isnít a rat. Or a coyote a coyote. ND rats are much easier to trap. They climb on everything and will even step in traps that are sitting out of water. And coyotes, they actually respond to calls said he shot as many as 7 in one day where at home one a week if youíre luck y.

I also recall another fella a few years ago that struggled all winter to catch 400 here, in the marsh, went out there and caught 4000.

Am I missing the boat?

Wonder if it has to do with human pressure?


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Re: Is Rat a Rat? [Re: nimzy] #7375803
10/10/21 09:40 AM
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I don't know how much a unit costs, but I can't imagine buying a unit


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Re: Is Rat a Rat? [Re: Rat Masterson] #7375811
10/10/21 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Rat Masterson
Trap while your able, tomorrow is promised to no one.

X2. That applies wether youíre 60 or 40. Iím not sure if we have any fur market in five years. Sad to say if China drops out of the market we are done.


Ah,for the life of a millionaire,say some,but just let me stay a trapper. Bill Nelson
Re: Is Rat a Rat? [Re: nimzy] #7375813
10/10/21 09:53 AM
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I just got back from ND on a fishing trip. The area I trapped Is all dried up catching any number of rats would be just about impossible.
And trapping or calling coyotes would be the way to go. But your going to have to spend some time getting permission and that won't be easy. Most of these large and owners are snow birds and are gone once the crops are out. Or they lease out their land and don't live In the area.

Rats In ND when you have rats will climb on anything you put out. But you have to have your traps 2" under water when using stools but your traps can be completely exposed if your using floats. That's one thing I can't figure out.
I think rats are a different breed In ND then the ones In WI. You can't get a rat to climb on stool or a float In my area of WI In the fall season. But rats are all over stools and floats In the fall In ND. WE don't have a spring season In WI so I don't know how stools and floats would work here In the spring. But In ND you need to be checking twice a day to keep your traps working.


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Re: Is Rat a Rat? [Re: nimzy] #7375844
10/10/21 10:36 AM
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I believe you are missing something


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Re: Is Rat a Rat? [Re: nimzy] #7375860
10/10/21 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by nimzy
Was talking to a couple accomplished trappers on scout day in the swamp. Told them Robin said not to buy a unit this year. Figures rats are too cheap. They both perked up, their wives had the same sentiments, citing markets, age and time away.

Wayne offered an alternative, ďif I donít buy a unit, Iím heading to ND for 2 months. Least this way Iím home every night.Ē

That statement redirected the conversation. He went on to say how a rat just isnít a rat. Or a coyote a coyote. ND rats are much easier to trap. They climb on everything and will even step in traps that are sitting out of water. And coyotes, they actually respond to calls said he shot as many as 7 in one day where at home one a week if youíre luck y.

I also recall another fella a few years ago that struggled all winter to catch 400 here, in the marsh, went out there and caught 4000.

Am I missing the boat?



I hope wayne would be planning on coyotes and not rats. Has Wayne been to ND lately? See Gary's post, it brings me comfort he was finally able to get out there and see it for himself. That 400 feller, did he trap those 4000 in the winter? Trapping under the ice?

Nah, you aren't missing the boat. That's a present or future tense term. The boat has sailed.

Re: Is Rat a Rat? [Re: nimzy] #7375892
10/10/21 11:47 AM
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A rat is a rat. Food availability , climate and type of habitat make them behave differently.


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Re: Is Rat a Rat? [Re: nimzy] #7375912
10/10/21 12:43 PM
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Well the rain finally showed up here yesterday....figures, pheasant opener and I could of floated the boat down the street. To late to help any rats but anything to break this drought is welcome.


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Re: Is Rat a Rat? [Re: The Beav] #7376066
10/10/21 05:32 PM
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Thanks Beav for your insight.
49er it was winter and spring so not apples to apples however I believe he worked harder for the 400 than the 4000.
Hammer I tend to think Wayne is on to something. I would theorize itís sheer numbers. The higher the population the better the cooperation. I on the long haul we likely catch less in terms of percentages over populations.

On another note he said the coyotes are the prettiest heís ever harvested.

Re: Is Rat a Rat? [Re: nimzy] #7376076
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And any ditch or pond that has water Is pretty low. So most of these spots will freeze out this winter.


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Re: Is Rat a Rat? [Re: nimzy] #7376082
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I caught up with a coyote trapper on my fishing trip. He showed me his FHA results on his coyotes. Had 10 at $100.00+ and never had a coyotes under $50.00. I think he had 50 some coyotes. He said all he did was snare them. They do have some good coyotes In ND.

There were several times when I took a rat out of my set and watched another rat swim up and get In that same trap while I was standing about 3 feet away. I never had that happen In WI. But of coarse that was during the spring season.


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Re: Is Rat a Rat? [Re: The Beav] #7376110
10/10/21 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by The Beav
And any ditch or pond that has water Is pretty low. So most of these spots will freeze out this winter.


Depends............. on if we get any snow this winter.

Chris you had to see it and live it to believe it.

The new or not so new conditions in SD, ND and many parts of Northern MN is quite the change from the past 25 or so years. I don't think Gary believed me all that much when I mentioned of it.

I tell myself it's all part of the circle. Hopefully, we'll get another up cycle. We'll see.

Re: Is Rat a Rat? [Re: nimzy] #7376163
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Having driven from one end to the other of this state I can't believe the difference in water levels. We got 2 inches last night, we get some snow and some spring rains, who knows.

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It took years to get the water level to where they were, literally decades. It's going to have to snow a bunch and back to back years wouldn't hurt

Re: Is Rat a Rat? [Re: Steven 49er] #7376177
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Originally Posted by Steven 49er
Originally Posted by The Beav
And any ditch or pond that has water Is pretty low. So most of these spots will freeze out this winter.


Depends............. on if we get any snow this winter.

Chris you had to see it and live it to believe it.

The new or not so new conditions in SD, ND and many parts of Northern MN is quite the change from the past 25 or so years. I don't think Gary believed me all that much when I mentioned of it.

I tell myself it's all part of the circle. Hopefully, we'll get another up cycle. We'll see.




Do you get a heavy wet snow that melts in the fall?We almost always get that here and it brings all the water back high before freeze up,even years like this one where the creeks are all dried up and the rivers low.

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Re: Is Rat a Rat? [Re: nimzy] #7376198
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Interesting concept, and I see what youíre saying. Whitetails are tougher to hunt some places than others. Some species fish are easier to catch some places than others.

Is this correlation related to pressure? Habits? Populations?

Easy answer , find the abundant populations, with less pressure, and your take will be greater.

But I agree, thereís something to this

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