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Re: Whatcha think about these groups ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7375292
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Have any 4895 or 4198?


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Re: Whatcha think about these groups ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7375399
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What was the sd of your varget load?

Are your loads compressed? If not, are you shooting powder forward or powder back?

Also, you can load your bullets past the coal. Your limitations are going to be your mag (if you are using it) and extracting a loaded round.

What is the goal of this ar build that you are working on?


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Re: Whatcha think about these groups ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7375513
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I would be making up about 20-25 minimum ( I know component shortage I would normally say 50) of the #9 set 2617 with a SD of 18 and shooting 5 round groups

and shooting some groups

that looks like a carbine length gas system , with a standard hand guard meaning not free floated your very likely over gassed and pressing on the barrel some

a 1 1/2 inch group wouldn't be bad for that rig if your doing better than that your doing good

try it out farther , some times you can see too well at 100 yards and you hold more steady at 200 yards


as for a bullet doesn't stabilize till a certain distance I call fowl bad science , if a load is 2moa at 50 yards if never gets better than 2moa it can only get worse

what I have seen is you don't try and adjust for every little thing at 200 , 300 , 400 cause you can't see your wiggle so you shoot better not the gun.


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Re: Whatcha think about these groups ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7375535
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Ok guys thanks for all the advice. So I was mis spoken , the best load I had with this bullet was 8208xbr my apologies. Good thing I kept notes lol.
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Re: Whatcha think about these groups ? [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7375543
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Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
I would be making up about 20-25 minimum ( I know component shortage I would normally say 50) of the #9 set 2617 with a SD of 18 and shooting 5 round groups

and shooting some groups

that looks like a carbine length gas system , with a standard hand guard meaning not free floated your very likely over gassed and pressing on the barrel some

a 1 1/2 inch group wouldn't be bad for that rig if your doing better than that your doing good

try it out farther , some times you can see too well at 100 yards and you hold more steady at 200 yards


as for a bullet doesn't stabilize till a certain distance I call fowl bad science , if a load is 2moa at 50 yards if never gets better than 2moa it can only get worse

what I have seen is you don't try and adjust for every little thing at 200 , 300 , 400 cause you can't see your wiggle so you shoot better not the gun.


Well here's that group , still reckon I should try more shots ?
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Mabye it's me shooting bad ? I would try future but the lock range only goes out to 130 max.


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Re: Whatcha think about these groups ? [Re: Jerry Jr.] #7375548
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Originally Posted by Jerry Jr.
What was the sd of your varget load?

Are your loads compressed? If not, are you shooting powder forward or powder back?

Also, you can load your bullets past the coal. Your limitations are going to be your mag (if you are using it) and extracting a loaded round.

What is the goal of this ar build that you are working on?

Not sure on the last load. Nothing's compressed with these , not sure what you mean by shooting the powder forward or back. As far as length.i was loading a tad over Max mag length.
My hard jam was 1.968" ( I use cbto instead of coal)
And my Mac mag length ended up being 1.856" all my previous loads where that. Until today when I was back off tho see if I could find a node possibly. I need this load to be able to run though my mag so kinda stuck there. As far as the build,well it's not really a build ,just my old ar I'm trying to get to shoot as well as possible. Wanted a longer range bigger game load hence why I'm using the 75gr hpbt


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Re: Whatcha think about these groups ? [Re: the Blak Spot] #7375550
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Originally Posted by the Blak Spot
Have any 4895 or 4198?

Nope got some h322 I've been considering though


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Re: Whatcha think about these groups ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7375555
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Re: Whatcha think about these groups ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7375559
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one group can be good to get SD, but one group doesn't give a great picture of the group size

if you did get a really good group make more of that also and test both , best SD vs Best group

try different shaped and colored target dots

blaze orange reflects too much light back and can make it blurry hard to get the same center of the dot every time

try black squares turned on a 45 this way each point lines up with the cross hair of the scope

you can cut them out of cardboard paint them and staple them to the target or black construction paper

good crisp edges make it easier to shoot than drawing a square with a sharpie


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Re: Whatcha think about these groups ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7375585
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the 75gr HPBT isn't really a game load it is a match bullet , the hollow point doesn't mean expansion in match rifle bullets like it does in personal defense pistol bullets


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Re: Whatcha think about these groups ? [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7375611
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Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
the 75gr HPBT isn't really a game load it is a match bullet , the hollow point doesn't mean expansion in match rifle bullets like it does in personal defense pistol bullets




Actually kinda why I picked it. Sounds weird but for what I'm after I wanted more penetration than anything many spinal shots on hogs and just blowing through coyote


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Re: Whatcha think about these groups ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7375805
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Originally Posted by Wolfdog91
Originally Posted by Jerry Jr.
What was the sd of your varget load?

Are your loads compressed? If not, are you shooting powder forward or powder back?

Also, you can load your bullets past the coal. Your limitations are going to be your mag (if you are using it) and extracting a loaded round.

What is the goal of this ar build that you are working on?

Not sure on the last load. Nothing's compressed with these , not sure what you mean by shooting the powder forward or back. As far as length.i was loading a tad over Max mag length.
My hard jam was 1.968" ( I use cbto instead of coal)
And my Mac mag length ended up being 1.856" all my previous loads where that. Until today when I was back off tho see if I could find a node possibly. I need this load to be able to run though my mag so kinda stuck there. As far as the build,well it's not really a build ,just my old ar I'm trying to get to shoot as well as possible. Wanted a longer range bigger game load hence why I'm using the 75gr hpbt


Load a bullet in the chamber. Point the muzzle to the sky and give it a tap. Now, very carefully lay the gun on the bags and take the shot. That is powder back. For your next shot stand up and and load the rifle but this time point the muzzle down and give it a tap. Carefully lay it on the bags and take the shot. That is powder forward. Powder forward gives less velocity and powder back gives more. I find it easier for me to shoot powder back. Take your crony with you and you will be surprised.

You can take a load that has an es of 15fps and turn it into one with an es of 60+fps.


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Re: Whatcha think about these groups ? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7376103
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Hey Wolfie,. you ever try shooting groups with the scope turned down to a low power ? Like maybe 3 or 6 power. Sometimes I shoot at low magnification with excellent results. I'm not sure how it helps, but maybe your brain focus on the trigger instead of the cross hairs.

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Originally Posted by Wolfdog91

Well here's that group , still reckon I should try more shots ?
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Mabye it's me shooting bad ? I would try future but the lock range only goes out to 130 max.


you seem to have that labeled 29gr 24 is the max with that powder , do you use close top 4 I use only open top 4 for that reason

edit:seeing your 4 at the top of the target it makes the one at the bottom look even more like a 9

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Originally Posted by HOYT archery
Hey Wolfie,. you ever try shooting groups with the scope turned down to a low power ? Like maybe 3 or 6 power. Sometimes I shoot at low magnification with excellent results. I'm not sure how it helps, but maybe your brain focus on the trigger instead of the cross hairs.


we do this in Appleseed , you don't see your wiggle , so you don't try to adjust for it is one thing that can be happening


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Originally Posted by HOYT archery
Hey Wolfie,. you ever try shooting groups with the scope turned down to a low power ? Like maybe 3 or 6 power. Sometimes I shoot at low magnification with excellent results. I'm not sure how it helps, but maybe your brain focus on the trigger instead of the cross hairs.

You know what I might actually need to try that . I was playing around and had it zoomed out to 4x and I felt alot more comfortable shooting for some reason


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