Re: Bee guys or anyone else
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10/10/21 10:37 PM
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Re: Bee guys or anyone else
[Re: WhiteTrash 88]
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10/11/21 01:40 AM
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The biggest "loophole" is that the USDA does not have a legal definition of just what constitutes honey.
Other issues are that one cannot legally produce Organic honey anywhere within the US as the label Organic has rather strict production standards. The main one in this case is the the producer must have control of all property where the product is produced and certify that no non organic registered chemicals have been used on said property. Since bees are free range and each colony can range up to five miles this means the beekeeper must control the 8000 plus acres each colony can cover.
YET, our USDA recognizes Organic labels from other countries that are far less stringent.
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Re: Bee guys or anyone else
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10/11/21 06:55 AM
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Good friend of mine has bees. He does his honey the right way. Alot more work but the product is incredible. I can let him know iffn you want.
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Re: Bee guys or anyone else
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10/11/21 08:50 AM
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I've been seeing a lot of raw, local honey showing up in grocery stores lately. I'd be surprised if yours didn't carry any. (Maybe not Walmart, but most other grocery stores should).
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Re: Bee guys or anyone else
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10/11/21 10:37 AM
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Tommy and I were the only ones from Missouri with honey if you got it at the Missouri convention. I can ship it. If you are near Iowa, Tommy is closer and could likely ship it also.. All my honey is raw and only filtered with largest stainless screen to get large parts out. Much pollen is in my honey and I never heat it.
We pull two times on our honey - spring and fall due to seasonal pollen being in different honey. I believe God has given us many natural things like honey, garlic, and plants that help our bodies in which we have lost much knowledge. The pint glass jar I bought was 10$ and tended to by a young man around 12 years old. Raw honey sticker on white lid
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Re: Bee guys or anyone else
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10/11/21 10:59 AM
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TreedaBlackdog has what you are looking for. The guidelines they put on the honey industry makes it all but impossible to sell through a store. Find a health food store that has local honey is another way to find a local producer. Might check with local law enforcement on who they call to pick up swarms as well. The more local on honey source the better for allergies.
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Re: Bee guys or anyone else
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10/11/21 11:23 AM
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The biggest "loophole" is that the USDA does not have a legal definition of just what constitutes honey.
Other issues are that one cannot legally produce Organic honey anywhere within the US as the label Organic has rather strict production standards. The main one in this case is the the producer must have control of all property where the product is produced and certify that no non organic registered chemicals have been used on said property. Since bees are free range and each colony can range up to five miles this means the beekeeper must control the 8000 plus acres each colony can cover.
YET, our USDA recognizes Organic labels from other countries that are far less stringent. Just a note on the last sentence there. The same rules that exist here are also in place for honey produced in other countries. Certifying agencies must not only be accredited by our USDA but are routinely audited to make sure of compliance. As I understand it, Brazil and China are the main countries that can comply with the regs. Domestically I think there is an apiary up in Washington state on an island that is certified for organic honey.
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Re: Bee guys or anyone else
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10/11/21 12:17 PM
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Raw is merely strained to remove the large particulate from the extraction process.
Processed is initially strained then heated to both flow more readily through the bottling equipment and to liquefy any sugar crystals to retard granulation and prolong shelf life. Processed is also often passed through micro filtration to remove even the smallest of pollen grains that may serve as a template for granulation.
Processed is essentially denatured honey and minus the pollens is vulnerable to adulteration or false labeling by unscrupulous packers. Without its essential pollens there is no way to determine origin or source. I agree with everything you've said. I can taste the difference between raw and processed. For me, processed tasted like it's been watered down. I much prefer raw.
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