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Re: Is Rat a Rat? [Re: nimzy] #7376247
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We fished stump lake and the water level was down at lest 4 feet. And same with all the other lakes we fished.If they get freezing temps before they get any melting snow It's going kill off a lot of rats that are still there.


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Re: Is Rat a Rat? [Re: nimzy] #7376319
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You knucklehead, snow is an insulator. I've seen very few sloughs freeze completely to the bottom throughout.

Re: Is Rat a Rat? [Re: nimzy] #7376338
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Something to think about Gary, Devils Lake is probably 35 to 40 feet higher now than the 1940s. Is the lake down? Or is it up?

Re: Is Rat a Rat? [Re: nimzy] #7376381
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The extreme snow fall of 09, 10, 11 led to the rat boom, yeah the high summer water made it possible but without that thick layer of snow most sloughs would of froze down them years also. The winter of 13 with weeks of subzero temps and no snow all winter, most the sloughs froze down and killed most the rats.. 2013 you could drive anywhere on Devils Lake and needed an extension to get through the 38" to 40" of ice. The sloughs I was taking 100-200 rats out of in 10, 11 and 12 were baron of rats the winter of 13. That was my experience anyhow..


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Re: Is Rat a Rat? [Re: nimzy] #7376405
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and as for ND rats being more apt to climb on things than rats east of here perhaps it's the lack of aerial predation and how dense our cattails are? It's not like there are a lot of perches here..lol

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Re: Is Rat a Rat? [Re: Steven 49er] #7376418
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Originally Posted by Steven 49er
You knucklehead, snow is an insulator. I've seen very few sloughs freeze completely to the bottom throughout.


And I said if they don't get any snow before they get freezing temps. If you have 12" of water In ditch or pond and you get freezing temps it's going to freeze down In few days.
And yes Devil's lake Is down from what It was last year.


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Re: Is Rat a Rat? [Re: nimzy] #7376465
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Do rats adapt to our methods making future generations more difficult to catch?

Re: Is Rat a Rat? [Re: nimzy] #7376509
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[quote=nimzy]Do rats adapt to our methods making future generations more difficult to catch?[/I have to think rats are stupid and thatís why rats, rabbits ,rodents in general reproduce like they do . They will get spooked sometimes pounding on houses in the winter but they donít quit using houses I have seen rats go around colony traps I think about one spot were I caught maybe a dozen rats in a run and all of a sudden they made a run going around trap or occasionally had them plug pockets so maybe your not crazy to wonder. Itís all about survival instincts .Only thing making them harder to trap for future generations however will be no fur market.

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Re: Is Rat a Rat? [Re: The Beav] #7376633
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Originally Posted by The Beav
Originally Posted by Steven 49er
You knucklehead, snow is an insulator. I've seen very few sloughs freeze completely to the bottom throughout.


And I said if they don't get any snow before they get freezing temps. If you have 12" of water In ditch or pond and you get freezing temps it's going to freeze down In few days.
And yes Devil's lake Is down from what It was last year.

it takes a while for ditches to freeze down to bottom.The ground has to freeze first.The ground continues to freeze down when the snow on the surface is melting in spring.
Some creeks and ditches dry up if they are fed by bush run off when the ground freezes.This often leaves shell ice here on beaver ponds especially..See this here in feb/march when the bush run off freezes up solid.its a funny feeling walking to a beaver house on the ice,only to have it collapse en masse,and drop you 3 feet onto dry ground.

Some blackmuck bogs here never freeze even when the clay is frozen down 10 feet.

It is never a given in any year.

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Re: Is Rat a Rat? [Re: nimzy] #7376746
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The problem Is that all the rat dens are now exposed. So even if that 12" of water doesn't completely freeze to the bottom the rats are still homeless. It's going to take some time for the rats In ND to make a come back.


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Originally Posted by blackhammer
i have to think rats are stupid and thatís why rats, rabbits ,rodents in general reproduce like they do . They will get spooked sometimes pounding on houses in the winter but they donít quit using houses


I have much respect for rodents, muskrats and beaver. When under pressure, I believe they condition themselves to survive. Perhaps itís a prey instinct. They are masters of avoidance and have the ability warn their comrades of danger. IMO that is the reason our catch generally plummets after 2 or 3 checks. My money says we usually leave more behind than we catch. Sometimes it takes humility to appreciate our adversaries.

Re: Is Rat a Rat? [Re: nimzy] #7376928
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Originally Posted by nimzy
Originally Posted by blackhammer
i have to think rats are stupid and thatís why rats, rabbits ,rodents in general reproduce like they do . They will get spooked sometimes pounding on houses in the winter but they donít quit using houses


I have much respect for rodents, muskrats and beaver. When under pressure, I believe they condition themselves to survive. Perhaps itís a prey instinct. They are masters of avoidance and have the ability warn their comrades of danger. IMO that is the reason our catch generally plummets after 2 or 3 checks. My money says we usually leave more behind than we catch. Sometimes it takes humility to appreciate our adversaries.
. Rats are my friends not my adversary. LOL. The higher animal numbers are the easier they are to trap this applies to all fur bearers. It is natures survival instinct. Always amazed by beavers engineering skills . Humility? I love trapping rats but you can overthink the whole fur harvesting deal. IMO

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Re: Is Rat a Rat? [Re: nimzy] #7376949
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Yea Iím the classic over thinker grin

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Re: Is Rat a Rat? [Re: nimzy] #7376956
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Originally Posted by nimzy
Yea Iím the classic over thinker grin
. Preferable to not thinking Interesting thread. I think trapping about every day. Cloudy fall day gets the trapping bug going.


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Re: Is Rat a Rat? [Re: nimzy] #7376964
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We are closing in. I still have too much work and wonít get out till thanksgiving. Which isnít far off either.

Humility is when them little buggers get the best of you. Been there done that!

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Originally Posted by The Beav
I just got back from ND on a fishing trip. The area I trapped Is all dried up catching any number of rats would be just about impossible.
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Old construction saying. You gotta crack an egg to make a cake. Drought is just Mother Nature starting over.

Patiently awaiting her next masterpiece:)

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Originally Posted by nimzy
They are masters of avoidance and have the ability warn their comrades of danger. IMO that is the reason our catch generally plummets after 2 or 3 checks. My money says we usually leave more behind than we catch. Sometimes it takes humility to appreciate our adversaries.


Communication coming back from the dead or from the living?


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Re: Is Rat a Rat? [Re: nimzy] #7378087
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IMO, a rat is pretty much a rat. Different habits in different habitats, but find where the food is and you'll catch them. Adapting to the conditions can be the hard part. Floods, heavy snow, bad ice, etc, etc forces us to make substantial adjustments and that can be difficult. Sometimes you just can't deal with a spot that's temporarily messed up. Lots of adjustments and Plan Bs when rat trapping

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Originally Posted by WIMarshRAT
Originally Posted by nimzy
They are masters of avoidance and have the ability warn their comrades of danger. IMO that is the reason our catch generally plummets after 2 or 3 checks. My money says we usually leave more behind than we catch. Sometimes it takes humility to appreciate our adversaries.


Communication coming back from the dead or from the living?


I believe both. Rats are highly social. Isnít social, defined by, the ability to communicate? It would seem odd that such a well defined community wouldnít communicate.

Re: Is Rat a Rat? [Re: nimzy] #7378391
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The thing about the area I trap In ND Is that we have great cattail marshes and the water depth Is about 4' but you never encounter any rat huts all the rats live In bank dens. Sure you may see a few huts In shallow water ponds but 95% of the rats are In the banks.It does make It easier to catch them.


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