Re: Entry Level AR
[Re: btomlin]
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I have had no issue with the PSA rifles buy the kit and build it on an Anderson if you can find them locally for reasonable money had my sons PSA on an anderson at a 3 gun match 2 weeks ago honestly if I were to build it again today only thing I would change is the scope mount as it is no longer available and the Vortex 2 inch cantilevered mount is a better design. he was first round hits at 200 , 300 and at 400 he missed but had a nice group going in the sand right below the target that he couldn't see through the 2-7 , it was an ammunition issue he had found a box of my old handload and loaded it rather than my current load , it dropped off sooner than the new load does but the group was nice at 2X also no issue running as close as about 5 yards on some paper targets that covers the possible range fairly well 5-400 yards with the correct ammo the scope has a BDC retical on 7x it has hashes that line up at 1.5, 4.5 , 7.5 and 11 MOA as well as 2,4,6 moa right left for wind hold over
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Re: Entry Level AR
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10/11/21 11:50 AM
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What do you want to do with it? That will determine how much you ought to pay.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Entry Level AR
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10/11/21 12:42 PM
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What do you want to do with it? That will determine how much you ought to pay. Probably shoot it a few times and put it in the safe. Maybe the occasional "fun shoot" with the guys. Curious why 1:7 would be for hunting, DK?
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Re: Entry Level AR
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10/11/21 01:08 PM
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1:7 stabalizes a heavier bullet better also long for weight bullets like all copper bullets
i wouldn't sweat it a 1:8 will stabalize thing up to 70gr well
you are more likely to find a budget 1:7 because that is what the military is using currently so the tooling is paid for by contracts then they can produce more for private market on the same tooling
common twist rates are 1:9 , 1:8 and 1:7
1:9 bullet optimal range is 45-63
1:8 is 62-77gr
1:7 is 69-80gr
that is optimal the 1:7 in the picture I posted shoots 55gr hornady soft points about an inch at 100 yards
i have a heavy barrel 1 in 8 that shoots the same load into about 4 1/2 inches at 400 yards
for hunting bullets up to deer in size 55gr Hornady soft points work but don't expect exit wounds and keep off the shoulder
Winchester makes a 64gr power point that is decent for deer
the barns triple shock TSX stuff is good but expensive
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Re: Entry Level AR
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10/11/21 01:13 PM
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PSA you can buy a upper and lower pretty cheap lately.
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Re: Entry Level AR
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10/11/21 02:11 PM
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I would look at Bear Creek Arsenal. They have a number of options in the $511-560 range. It would leave you money for a scope. I would go 1-8 twist in a 223 Wylde.
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Re: Entry Level AR
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10/11/21 02:30 PM
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Good informative post....does the S and W M&P 15 come in Wylde? no but don't get hung up on it needing to be wylde 223/5.56nato chambers work find wylde gets you slightly different chamber specs on the throat and lead which can make it shoot more accurately , however few people shoot well enough to notice the difference in most cases especally in an entry level rifle also if you have a standard handguard you likely more than negate any difference that the chamber could make when shooting with a sling you can see the effect of the sling pulling on the barrel when not running a free float handguard , putting the sling attachment mid handguard and not on the sling loop under the front sight made a difference for me to make it less effect the group when shooting from a sling for complete guns that you can probably buy at a lcoal store the S&W and Ruger are good building has it's benefits even if you order a PSA lower complete and an upper complete there is typically some savings not buying a complete rifle there is a tax on complete rifles not paid if you assemble your own.
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Re: Entry Level AR
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1:7 stabalizes a heavier bullet better also long for weight bullets like all copper bullets
i wouldn't sweat it a 1:8 will stabalize thing up to 70gr well
you are more likely to find a budget 1:7 because that is what the military is using currently so the tooling is paid for by contracts then they can produce more for private market on the same tooling
common twist rates are 1:9 , 1:8 and 1:7
1:9 bullet optimal range is 45-63
1:8 is 62-77gr
1:7 is 69-80gr
that is optimal the 1:7 in the picture I posted shoots 55gr Hornady soft points about an inch at 100 yards
i have a heavy barrel 1 in 8 that shoots the same load into about 4 1/2 inches at 400 yards
for hunting bullets up to deer in size 55gr Hornady soft points work but don't expect exit wounds and keep off the shoulder
Winchester makes a 64gr power point that is decent for deer
the barns triple shock TSX stuff is good but expensive All spot on but might also point out it doesn't hurt as much to spin a bullet faster as not enough. Lighter can do okay in fast twist but usually not heavier in slow. very true , the 55gr shoot fine to 400 for us from 1:7 never tried further the 55gr Hornady soft points shoot fine to 500 for us from the 1:8 never tried further FMJ bullets are formed tip to tail and soft points are tail to tip , this changes the balance of bullets and may have more effect than the twist 62gr green tips are a steel tip and don't balance as well as lead core soft points and hollow points the twist of your barrel be it 7, 8 or 9 probably makes less difference on 55-69gr ammo than the ammo it's self if you shoot heavy bullets you need more twist , hoe many of us really shoot 77gr or heavier , probably not that many I get good hits at 400 on targets from inexpensive 55gr soft points I was buying for 100 dollars the thousand they are about 129 per thousand now that is the shortage we live in. (bullet not loaded ammo prices)
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Re: Entry Level AR
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10/11/21 03:04 PM
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Good informative post....does the S and W M&P 15 come in Wylde? Its stamped 5.56 NATO 1/9 twist. I dont think S&W offer different uppers if you wanted something a bit more performance wise. The regular M&P 15 comes with a 1/8 twist barrel and some more upgrades, but costs about twice as much...So if you wanted something a little more .223 friendly for longer range shooting, youd have to track down another upper or look at another gun completely.
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