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Get Max to obey wife and kids? #7378879
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Mr Max is coming along nicely, although probably slower than if professionally trained as I am quite busy with work.
He will "kennel" on to his elevated bed and stay there (briefly) without the use of the e collar. He also sits on command and will generally retrieve anything that is thrown for him.
The issue I have is he only listens to me and basically ignores other family members.
Any tips to improve this?


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Re: Get Max to obey wife and kids? [Re: slydogx] #7378882
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Have the rest of the family work with him like you do. It might take some time but he should learn that he needs to listen to them too

Re: Get Max to obey wife and kids? [Re: slydogx] #7378885
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One of the things that I found is that often times kids/wife do not always use the exact same command or when using the correct command not with the same type of tone. They are also more lenient on the dog obeying the command immediately and delaying any correction that needs to be made. The dog has asserted it's dominance over them at this point in the family hierarchy.

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He needs to know who the boss is. He won't obey anyone who isn't his boss. I always use this example.....we used to have a red heeler who was a face biter, and had food aggression. Most of my kids couldn't go around him while he was eating. But, one time he growled at my youngest, who was like 2 at the time, and she cracked him in the head with a nylabone. He took that as her being in charge of him. From then on, she could do whatever she wanted. She could take his food from him, stick her hands in food dish while he ate, drink out of his dish while he drank at the same time ( kids are gross), whatever she wanted. And he'd sit for her, come for her, whatever her little self could command, he'd do. The other kids were timid around him, and he knew could could walk all over them. If he didn't like what they were doing, he'd just snap at their face, because he knew that would get his desires result. We got rid of him because the other kids couldn't get over their fear. We have a different red heeler now who is much more gentle, but its the same thing....he listens to those who demand his obedience, and walks all over those who he knows he can walk all over. For him, it just means kisses, jumping, and generally ignoring people, instead of biting, though. Even though my in-laws only come once a month or so, he'll listen to the mother in-law, and completely ignore the father in law, because he knows who will tolerate his misbehavior and who won't tolerate it.

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Originally Posted by ToTheWoods
One of the things that I found is that often times kids/wife do not always use the exact same command or when using the correct command not with the same type of tone. They are also more lenient on the dog obeying the command immediately and delaying any correction that needs to be made. The dog has asserted it's dominance over them at this point in the family hierarchy.

This is exactly right. My girlfriend always tells our dog to "sit down." She doesn't know what this means. If you simply say sit then she will sit, but sit down is like telling her to walk on the moon. The tone is also very important. I refuse to yell at a dog or get panicked with them. If you panic they panic. The first thing my mother will do when the dog tries to jump on her is get all excited and start hollering at the dog to get down. This only makes it worse. Be calm with the dog, don't ever chase after it if it tries to run off, and keep a soft but stern tone with them.


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Re: Get Max to obey wife and kids? [Re: slydogx] #7378899
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they need to put in the time training , he already knows what to do they need to make him do it.


we had a coon hound form the pound he would obey me and be fine and would walk and take orders from me and wife if the pinch collar and leash were on but the second I left make he would make eye contact with the wife and take a dump on the living room carpet.

sent him back to the pound , I should have just shot him but the wife begged me not too there are too many dogs in this world to waste time on livestock that won't behave.

I am going to be very unpopular for saying that but they are live stock we get attached too , if you had a cow that busted fences you would butcher it , dogs are no different to me.

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Re: Get Max to obey wife and kids? [Re: slydogx] #7378936
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Greencou ty, you are spot on!

Re: Get Max to obey wife and kids? [Re: slydogx] #7378940
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My wife handles feeding the dogs. Since she is the "food lady" the dogs listen to her quite well.

Just a quick easy way to help organize the pack order.

Re: Get Max to obey wife and kids? [Re: slydogx] #7378943
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Lots to consider.
Green Cty, I don't necessarily disagree with you. I do not believe in or understand the "fur baby" mentality that is prevalent today. He gets free rent and food here so he is expected to be useful or he would not be welcome... but you do get attached to them LOL. Not sure I could handle an "Ol' Yeller" moment with Max LOL


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Also worth noting that he is not aggressive AT ALL to any people in the family or otherwise.


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In time he may be the only one in the family that listens to you!!


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Re: Get Max to obey wife and kids? [Re: slydogx] #7378991
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Redknot, I think we're already there


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Probably a pack hierarchy issue. You are the alpha male, then him, then the rest of the family.

Re: Get Max to obey wife and kids? [Re: slydogx] #7379011
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The biggest mistake people make with dogs is giving a command they don't or can't enforce, early during training. People will say something like "Come!", repeat it a bunch of times and then give up when the dog doesn't come. In that case, the dog should have been on a check cord and immediately pulled in, as soon as it didn't respond.

Early on, commands like "Sit!", should only be given when close enough to enforce it. The same thing applies for "Let it go!" or "Leave it!".

Young dogs are full of energy. Letting them run and burn off that energy, before training, will make them behave better.

Training sessions should be short, involve a lot of praise when the dog behaves, have immediate corrections if the dog misbehaves and end while the dog is still doing well.

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Re: Get Max to obey wife and kids? [Re: slydogx] #7379012
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U need to take Max to a counselor that can actually talk with him and find out what "Max's "feelings are. Maybe he really wants to b a Maxine and the pressure to conform to something it's not is causing obedience issues.

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Don't put too much stock in the e collar right now either. I don't even start mine on it until they are 6 or 7 months and pretty much done with formal obedience training. Only use it right now when you can positively reinforce it.

For example: if you say sit and he doesn't sit, give him a bump and when he does sit pet him and give praise. The e-collar should be all positive right now. Don't burn him down while he is young, your parents didn't whoop you before you could walk!


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Coondagger2, the e collar only runs on vibrate. I have nicked him once on level 1 to make sure things worked as expected.
He gets way more positive reinforcement than negative and as said is doing fairly well...at least to my satisfaction.
Our only real trouble spots are walking at heel and staying on place after the "kennel" command is given.
I agree with most of you all above that it's likely a dominance issue. I'll have a talk with the wife and kids to get them some confidence handling him


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Coondagger2, the e collar only runs on vibrate. I have nicked him once on level 1 to make sure things worked as expected.
He gets way more positive reinforcement than negative and as said is doing fairly well...at least to my satisfaction.
Our only real trouble spots are walking at heel and staying on place after the "kennel" command is given.
I agree with most of you all above that it's likely a dominance issue. I'll have a talk with the wife and kids to get them some confidence handling him

Awesome! Heel usually just takes a lot of time. The pup I'm training now is a very go-go-go type so heel was hard for her. A choke chain and short lead will get you far. Once he gets the concept get a crop stick to polish him up. Sounds like you are on the way to having a great pup!


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Originally Posted by trappergirl04
Have the rest of the family work with him like you do. It might take some time but he should learn that he needs to listen to them too

At the same time, side by side!


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One thing you definitely need to do.... Get Max to obey the wife at the very least. If you get him to obey the kids and not the wife Max may decide he doesn't like her disciplining the children if she needs to.


My SIL babied her dog.
Her kids were higher in the pack then the dog.
One day she gave the one daughter a swat on the butt and the dog went absolutely nuts. Bit the SIL 5 times before it could be stopped.


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