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Re: cash is still illegal [Re: danny clifton] #7380753
10/16/21 10:40 PM
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Cash is not illegal,hiding cash so you dont have to pay your fair share of tax(ripping off the taxpayer) is illegal.Trying to circulate money earned by illegal activities is also illegal.
Should be very easy to show where your 140 g came from when asked unless you got it thru illegal activity.I use cash to buy new vehicles once in a while,and I have always had to show where it came from.No problem,there is a paper trail for all legal transactions.
Normal people dont ride around at night with 140g looking for a farm to buy.You would have to be some sort of ejit to believe a story like that.

This is good old fashioned policework,profiling suspicious activity and acting on it.
And in this case it payed off.
And if the chinamen are on the up and up,they will have the paper trail to prove it.But it may take them some time and effort.
Maybe next time they will use a cashiers bankcheque -and do buisness during normal buisness hours whenbuying the farm,no pun intended.

I support law and order.
You dont like a law-vote and lobby your representative to change it.

Last edited by Boco; 10/16/21 10:46 PM.

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Re: cash is still illegal [Re: midlander] #7380778
10/16/21 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by midlander
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Might be legit purchase and a common problem in that county.

"Among those surprised by the turn of events is the man who was set to sell his land to Thai and Liu.

“I was shocked when I heard of the confiscation of their money,” the seller told NBC News.

He said he had met with them a few days earlier and had drawn up a contract to sell the property to Thai for $100,000. NBC News has viewed a copy of the agreement."


"Billions of dollars are taken yearly from citizens who are never charged with a crime, and are not afforded any of the due process provisions of the Constitution, such as a day in court, presumption of innocence, right to counsel, and an impartial jury,” said Brad Cates, former director of the Justice Department’s Asset Forfeiture Office during the Reagan Administration who has become an outspoken critic of civil forfeiture.

So far this year, local law enforcement agencies confiscated more than $1.3 million from people driving through Canadian County, according to an NBC News review of court records."



Possible Adam, but it wouldnt be too hard to find someone after the fact draw up a contract to make things look legit. I still cant figure out why you carry 140k+ when you are executing a contract for 100k..? Fishy....

Who knows why they had so much extra cash. I know when I travel I usually take more cash than I need.

I know several people who carry thousands on them everyday. Legitimate cash.

Re: cash is still illegal [Re: danny clifton] #7380786
10/17/21 12:01 AM
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What next ? Maybe decide to come check my place over to see if I got too much cash on hand? How do you know the cops weren't tipped off by the bank they made a large withdraw? If you own land you pay taxes every year for the privilege. When they do these forfeiture of assets they are bypassing the safeguards we are covered by in our constitution.


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Re: cash is still illegal [Re: danny clifton] #7380791
10/17/21 12:25 AM
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The home invasion robbery is very popular with the Vietnamese community crooks because they don’t trust banks.


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Re: cash is still illegal [Re: Drifter] #7380792
10/17/21 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Drifter
What next ? Maybe decide to come check my place over to see if I got too much cash on hand? How do you know the cops weren't tipped off by the bank they made a large withdraw? If you own land you pay taxes every year for the privilege. When they do these forfeiture of assets they are bypassing the safeguards we are covered by in our constitution.

Dont pay tax on your land -the govt will take it,sell it and take their cut from the proceeds.
You got a stack of cash you cant account for-same thing.


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Re: cash is still illegal [Re: danny clifton] #7380793
10/17/21 12:29 AM
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Crime? Due process?


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Re: cash is still illegal [Re: Boco] #7380801
10/17/21 01:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Boco
Cash is not illegal,hiding cash so you dont have to pay your fair share of tax(ripping off the taxpayer) is illegal.Trying to circulate money earned by illegal activities is also illegal.
Should be very easy to show where your 140 g came from when asked unless you got it thru illegal activity.I use cash to buy new vehicles once in a while,and I have always had to show where it came from.No problem,there is a paper trail for all legal transactions.
Normal people dont ride around at night with 140g looking for a farm to buy.You would have to be some sort of ejit to believe a story like that.

This is good old fashioned policework,profiling suspicious activity and acting on it.
And in this case it payed off.
And if the chinamen are on the up and up,they will have the paper trail to prove it.But it may take them some time and effort.
Maybe next time they will use a cashiers bankcheque -and do buisness during normal buisness hours whenbuying the farm,no pun intended.

I support law and order.
You dont like a law-vote and lobby your representative to change it.


Taxation is theft.
Avoiding being a victim of theft is a crime.
Makes perfect sense.


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Re: cash is still illegal [Re: warrior] #7380802
10/17/21 01:36 AM
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Originally Posted by warrior
Originally Posted by Boco
Cash is not illegal,hiding cash so you dont have to pay your fair share of tax(ripping off the taxpayer) is illegal.Trying to circulate money earned by illegal activities is also illegal.
Should be very easy to show where your 140 g came from when asked unless you got it thru illegal activity.I use cash to buy new vehicles once in a while,and I have always had to show where it came from.No problem,there is a paper trail for all legal transactions.
Normal people dont ride around at night with 140g looking for a farm to buy.You would have to be some sort of ejit to believe a story like that.

This is good old fashioned policework,profiling suspicious activity and acting on it.
And in this case it payed off.
And if the chinamen are on the up and up,they will have the paper trail to prove it.But it may take them some time and effort.
Maybe next time they will use a cashiers bankcheque -and do buisness during normal buisness hours whenbuying the farm,no pun intended.

I support law and order.
You dont like a law-vote and lobby your representative to change it.


Taxation is theft.
Avoiding being a victim of theft is a crime.
Makes perfect sense.

Paying your share of your representation is not theft.
Weaseling out of your responsibility is the theft.

Last edited by Boco; 10/17/21 01:37 AM.

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Re: cash is still illegal [Re: danny clifton] #7380836
10/17/21 06:43 AM
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Re: cash is still illegal [Re: danny clifton] #7380839
10/17/21 06:46 AM
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The way our government wastes money it seems foolish to pay our full share!

Re: cash is still illegal [Re: danny clifton] #7380840
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As to why they were carrying $140,000 for a $100,000 transaction. I'm going to assume that it was a legit sale.

In OK you could possibly pay up to 6.5% in sales tax. Then you gotta add on the title/deed transfer fee, and the notary/bank fees. After all those are figured in you could be looking at close to $120,000.


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Re: cash is still illegal [Re: danny clifton] #7380844
10/17/21 06:51 AM
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Boco, I realize you like to say ignorant stuff just to see who bites, but to me this is serious. Especially the claim that 10,000 is missing. When you can not trust L.E. its a bad problem.

How can possessing money be a crime? How can private property be confiscated without a warrant?


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Re: cash is still illegal [Re: danny clifton] #7380867
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Cash is still king, ask any of the Mexican Cartels raking it in on the southern border. How come the cops are not seizing it there ?

Re: cash is still illegal [Re: danny clifton] #7380885
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Re: cash is still illegal [Re: danny clifton] #7380926
10/17/21 09:15 AM
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So I see a skinny guy with bad teeth I can just arrest him for meth use then with no meth involved it’s the same thing? Never agreed with the practice because it lacks any real crime it’s a assumed violation I don’t think it’s challenged enough in court.

Have a landowner that likes to play poker he knows high stake players that had their bankrolls sized in the past just because it’s cash money. Funny they don’t seem to worry how Sniffy and Son get their money or the Clintons.


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Re: cash is still illegal [Re: Boco] #7380932
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Originally Posted by Boco
Cash is not illegal,hiding cash so you dont have to pay your fair share of tax(ripping off the taxpayer) is illegal.Trying to circulate money earned by illegal activities is also illegal.
Should be very easy to show where your 140 g came from when asked unless you got it thru illegal activity.I use cash to buy new vehicles once in a while,and I have always had to show where it came from.No problem,there is a paper trail for all legal transactions.
Normal people dont ride around at night with 140g looking for a farm to buy.You would have to be some sort of ejit to believe a story like that.

This is good old fashioned policework,profiling suspicious activity and acting on it.
And in this case it payed off.
And if the chinamen are on the up and up,they will have the paper trail to prove it.But it may take them some time and effort.
Maybe next time they will use a cashiers bankcheque -and do buisness during normal buisness hours whenbuying the farm,no pun intended.

I support law and order.
You dont like a law-vote and lobby your representative to change it.

Aye, aye, comrade.

Re: cash is still illegal [Re: danny clifton] #7380936
10/17/21 09:26 AM
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Civil asset forfeiture is policing for profit. The department that seizes the money gets cut of that money, and they use that to buy whatever equipment they want. It's in the departments interest to steal as much money as they can, because the more money they steal, the more fancy toys they can buy.

If these men committed a crime, then the cops should prove it. Being "suspicious" isn't a crime, and if not crime can be proven, then the money should never have been taken in the first place.

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Friday I Went to buy a truck about 1hr an 45min away.I look a cashiers check for this very reason. I got home, went to the courthouse and payed 1326.00 to get plates on it. I hate paying taxes, It feels like I'm giving my lunch money to the class bully. At least I'm not rich or in politics so I pay my "fair share." The way this government wastes my money is not fair.

Re: cash is still illegal [Re: danny clifton] #7380953
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My stepfather worked for a ship building company as a head engineer. They build some cruise ships for carnival Cruises and when the old man was still at the helm, he paid for multi million dollar cruise liners in cash on the delivery. Lots of security guards with cases strapped to their wrists. It was just his way of doing things.


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Re: cash is still illegal [Re: danny clifton] #7380954
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It sounds like the men cooperated a little to much. I am on the side of law and order but why answer questions about how much money you are carrying because it’s not anyone’s business. Why did the passenger need to show his ID. This does sound fishy. They were robbed.


Looks like he needs another year;-)
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