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Re: is america gone forever? [Re: foxkidd44] #7382568
10/19/21 10:47 AM
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People have never been more free.
To do what is pleasing to them.

Perhaps some missed the fact that the definition of free has been changed immeasurably in our lifetime.

In many ways our culture is drifting straight away from the Judea-Christian system of morality (good and bad) definition of free, in place worldwide only since the 4th century and elevated by our American forefathers to the individual....
back to the shame system of legalism (one's place in society deems what they can do to others) seen throughout all of human history.
There are MANY shame system cultures today, whereby I could do anything to anyone beneath me in societal rank; ex: elites > free men > indentured men > females > indentured females > children.
I see shame system antics every time Bernie or JB or any of these hacks grab a mic. They think they're higher rank than the commoner and as such "laws" don't apply to them.
Do we as a nation have any idea how crappy this shame system really is and how "good" and "bad" don't matter in a shame culture?
There is no right or wrong.
There is only top to bottom.

Blessings,
Mark

Re: is america gone forever? [Re: foxkidd44] #7382579
10/19/21 11:02 AM
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As usual I have no clue what your rambling about


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: is america gone forever? [Re: foxkidd44] #7382620
10/19/21 11:42 AM
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You should be ashamed of yourself.


Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
Re: is america gone forever? [Re: foxkidd44] #7382637
10/19/21 11:57 AM
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Well said Boco!


I love the smell of burning spruce---I love the sound of a spring time goose---I love the feel of 40 below---from my trapline I will never go!
Re: is america gone forever? [Re: foxkidd44] #7382639
10/19/21 12:00 PM
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My question is it gone or is what to or who ever you wanted it to be gone

Re: is america gone forever? [Re: foxkidd44] #7382650
10/19/21 12:07 PM
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I agree somewhat with what Mark is saying regarding my generation. Don't we as parents ruin our children by trying to improve things for them; wanting to give them more than we think we had?

I bought my daughter a two year old Chevy Beretta GT because she was on the A Honor Roll back back when she was in high school. That's just one example. My parents would never have done anything like that for me. They would have expected me to make the A Honor Roll (even though I never did). I would have gotten a pat on the back after they got over the shock of me making such high grades.

Some of us when we were kids got hand me downs when it came to clothes and other things. I played baseball and could only afford a used mitt that I had to buy myself with the money I made seining minnows with my dad. When my boy went out for baseball, I bought him a brand new Rawlings.

As parents, we try to improve over what we had for our own kids. We molded our kids into what they are.


We are told not to judge all Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but are told to judge all gunowners by the actions of a few.
Re: is america gone forever? [Re: foxkidd44] #7382652
10/19/21 12:11 PM
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Raising kids is like training a dog.reward when they do something good,punish when they do something bad.
One without the other is counterproductive.

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Re: is america gone forever? [Re: foxkidd44] #7382653
10/19/21 12:11 PM
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Not gone. What actually happened is along with our great progress we never took the trash out. Now you can’t tell which is which.


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Re: is america gone forever? [Re: foxkidd44] #7382668
10/19/21 12:29 PM
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No, it's not gone. It's been revised which is the history of cultures.
Our assimilation of the individual into a country of "individuals" melted together and protected by a legal system of "good" and "bad" is being converted slow but sure....
into a nation of people groups, ethnicities, and races, where societal ranking is the "new norm" for many (replaces law).
Everyone hollering about people getting off Scott free when they did bad things is returning us as a nation to the "shame system."

Good and evil, right and wrong is tossed out.
Which person is smarter, brighter, positioned better is becoming the "new normal." It's called the shame system and it was the primary system the ancients all used.
When you toss the guardrails of morality - brought into existence only by Judea-Christian teachings - expect to fill that void with what we are heading into now.
Look at all the weirdness as far as law and order?
There is no such thing in a shame culture.
There are only haves and have nots.
And not many haves by the way.
Read history. It's everywhere. In fact, America's founding fathers were incredibly well read men, and thus started this grand experiment of human dignity and worth, no matter one's status. These Fathers despised the aristocratic monarchies of Europe, who had never grasped the rights of the individual created in the Image of God.

Now our land is more like those Europeans who bow before the crown but I would argue.... wrong Crown.

Blessings,
Mark

Re: is america gone forever? [Re: foxkidd44] #7382677
10/19/21 12:42 PM
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I remember in eighth grade, late May our final days of school. Every eighth grade class would go on a picnic since we would be moving on to junior high, leaving grade school behind.
We played games. One of the games was racing from one boundary to another. After all the eliminations, it was down to one classmate and me for the final race that would determine who was the fastest runner. He won; beat me fair and square.

I was disappointed. He got a small trophy. I got nothing as it should have been. But, that race in today's society would have ended differently. Everybody who ran the race would have gotten a trophy or something similar. Because achievement must be downplayed to make for an even playing field.


We are told not to judge all Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but are told to judge all gunowners by the actions of a few.
Re: is america gone forever? [Re: foxkidd44] #7382685
10/19/21 12:58 PM
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What will destroy this country is the unencumbered printing of money and the destruction of our currency,

Everything else can be fixed but not the downward spiral and the end of the dollar as we know it.

Sad part is both parties will blame the other yet no one will look in the mirror.

20 percent of every dollar ever created was in 2020 when the adults were in charge. Inflation is only getting started, this is Trumps inflation, if the Dems get there way it will get scary.


"Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon". Milton Friedman.
Re: is america gone forever? [Re: foxkidd44] #7382711
10/19/21 01:12 PM
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This is Washington's inflation. Trump was facing an election. There are some ruthless individuals seeking to fundamentally change America and they are either a part of or own this administration. Some probably speak Chinese at the dinner table.


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Re: is america gone forever? [Re: ] #7382722
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Originally Posted by Mark June
Gary, laugh
Why is it when people(s) are gone, they are so fondly remembered.

It's when they're among us we can't hardly get along.

Blessings,
Mark


Why is it that people fight over what someone leaves behind, but don't fight over who gets to care for them when they're alive? smile


Life ain't supposed to be easy.
Re: is america gone forever? [Re: foxkidd44] #7382744
10/19/21 01:30 PM
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In a word: Sin. wink
Stuff we see all day every day but we are sinners too so we prefer to cast blame upon the other dude or dudette rather than fog our own mirror.

Blessings,
Mark

Re: is america gone forever? [Re: Gary Benson] #7382807
10/19/21 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Gary Benson
Originally Posted by Mark June
Gary, laugh
Why is it when people(s) are gone, they are so fondly remembered.

It's when they're among us we can't hardly get along.

Blessings,
Mark


Why is it that people fight over what someone leaves behind, but don't fight over who gets to care for them when they're alive? smile



Its called materialism-the cult of the almighty dollar(BARF).


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Re: is america gone forever? [Re: foxkidd44] #7382955
10/19/21 05:46 PM
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I dont see it as a religious problem. I see it more like a royalty issue. People who think they are entitled to what the peasants produce. Royalty and peasants are the two best words I can come up with. Since humans first began talking there have been people who strive to control others and control all their "tribes" wealth. Our ancestors fought successfully against that . Looks to me like it will be our turn soon. The first step in controlling all the wealth will be to crash the dollar. Paper money is not wealth. The ability to produce/provide food clothing shelter are wealth. Land is wealth. The ability to manufacture is wealth. When everything is taken, then returned as the "royalty" see fit, when all the peasants are toiling for little reward to themselves, the "royalty" will have won. Again.

Doesn't matter if you call it socialism communism or a monarchy, its all the same. A few living high on the hog while everyone else works nonstop to provide them their wealth.

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Re: is america gone forever? [Re: foxkidd44] #7383073
10/19/21 07:43 PM
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Your correct in most aspects danny and it's called by many names by the pagan ancients then... and now.
One thing sinful power, greed, and human ranking are not > from the God of the Bible.

God alone is where human dignity on an individual level was created and introduced to the ancient pagan world, first by the Jews and then by the followers of Christ.
Constantinople replaced the "shame legal system" with the Christian tenets of "right and wrong," and now it's been so long, most today in our land think it's naturally always been.
Hardly.
It's not even found in many places on earth now.

Decisions have consequences.

Blessings,
Mark

Re: is america gone forever? [Re: foxkidd44] #7383340
10/20/21 12:57 AM
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Too many went to sleep while they were standing watch. We had the safeguard of the vote to determine our direction. We failed by settling for the lesser of to evils. While some never even bothered to vote. Funny how the ones that cry first and loudest are the ones that didn't bother to vote.

Our schools now are teaching opposite many of our beliefs. When they stood up to the school board now are being targeted for it. For a long while being masculine is bad. Then we can't understand how folks wouldn't help the woman being raped. When we allow the rapist to be protected against the sheepdog that could of helped her we have a huge problem.

Government waste and pay offs to their crony's is rampant. we are no better then a 3rd world country when a person can be robbed by the police via confiscation because they have cash on them. When we see many of the top legislators we sent to Washington breaking the law and they are NEVER brought up on charges it truly makes me wonder if the great American dream is toast. Yes EVERY American since the revolution has a part in this experiment weather it lives or dies.


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Re: is america gone forever? [Re: foxkidd44] #7383350
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Unless they repair the election system...this will go on for a long time

Re: is america gone forever? [Re: foxkidd44] #7383355
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Mark, I know as a last resort its common to try and scare nonbelievers into pretending they believe or trying to believe. When you inject superstition into real world problems this is the result.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_Dance

I think we have a real problem. People who believe in and think themselves royalty, are getting close to a takeover. I am not sure voting can stop it. Not because of a lack of majority but because of election fraud. Bringing in third world peasants is an attempt to create a majority.


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