Re: Rollers on flats.
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10/24/21 10:39 AM
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Osky
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I was taught the traps are in too tight. Canines generally get in and smell closely before they roll in something. They should be on the pans while deciding. This solution has worked for me but others may have better cures.
Osky
"A womans heart is the hardest rock the Almighty has put on this earth, and I can find no sign on it" Jabless in Minnesota www.SureDockusa.com
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Re: Rollers on flats.
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10/24/21 11:05 AM
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Gulo
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On wolves, I get rollers when my lure is too loud. Very rarely when I use a subtle lure in dirt holes or flat sets. Too, I certainly agree with Osky's assessment.
Jack
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Re: Rollers on flats.
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10/24/21 12:29 PM
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Dan Barnhurst
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Use milder lures. Lure pokeholes, bones or pull sticks placed under edge of low cactus (transplanted if you need). Or use your lures they want to rub on a stump or rock about coyote shoulder high to keep them on their feet while they rub.
Sneak the pan under his paw!
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Re: Rollers on flats.
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10/24/21 02:03 PM
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cmcf
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Hey ceb7972 youse guys start importin them cactus to eastern Tejas? Might be worth more than the swamp dogs. You probably got a drip or drop of lure on the edge of the poke hole. As said before milder lure and less
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Re: Rollers on flats.
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10/24/21 07:50 PM
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Fish based lures will often cause rolling.
the wheels of the gods turn very slowly
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Re: Rollers on flats.
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10/24/21 08:10 PM
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Yes sir
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Fish based lures will often cause rolling. One of the things I learned from testing lots of lure ingredients is if a coyote REALLY likes something, he's going to want to wear it. The more they want roll on it the more I like it. You just have to know how use it correctly. Several different approaches to catching them before they roll. Lazarus has a good write up on his website about the rolling effects of coyotes if I remember correctly.
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Re: Rollers on flats.
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10/24/21 08:27 PM
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yoteguts
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I’ve been guilty of that for sure Lee. More isn’t always better. Took a few years for that to sink in for me.
I'm itchin' to see a coyote twitchin'.
More trappin' and less yappin'.
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Re: Rollers on flats.
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10/24/21 08:42 PM
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Fish based lures will often cause rolling. One of the things I learned from testing lots of lure ingredients is if a coyote REALLY likes something, he's going to want to wear it. The more they want roll on it the more I like it. You just have to know how use it correctly. Several different approaches to catching them before they roll. Lazarus has a good write up on his website about the rolling effects of coyotes if I remember correctly. I too have tried quite a few lures over my 56 years of trapping.I have been using mostly my own home made baits and lures for 30 years now.Im not fond of baits or lures that almost emediatly entice a rolling response.To each his own.
the wheels of the gods turn very slowly
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Re: Rollers on flats.
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10/25/21 06:40 AM
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First of all I was talking ingredients not finished lure or baits. But most of the good ones will get a rolling response from my experience. If u use fish oil, castor,sac oil mink or muskrat glands, or a dozen other common ingredients in your formulation your using ingredients that get a rolling response. If you don't use any of these I promise I won't tell anyone. Sounds like your mangy Kansas coyotes will roll on everything.
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Re: Rollers on flats.
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10/25/21 06:51 AM
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danny clifton
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The thing about rolling is that with the good ones rolling is not the first first response.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Rollers on flats.
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10/25/21 07:37 AM
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All great responses. As stated above to much lure will cause this behavior. When ask this question in the past I’ve always ask if the questioner if the canine was rolling up to the lure or walking up to it. I ask that because we know he’s walking. Take a long look at your set and adjust your trap placement. Good luck and post a pic when you get him.
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Re: Rollers on flats.
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10/25/21 08:09 AM
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danny clifton
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I dont believe to much lure causes it. Unless maybe somebody uses a tablespoon full. Which I cant see very many people doing.
The ones I like the coyote will first put his nose right on it or down the hole. Then try to lick it. Then dig or paw at it. Rub on it some then take a leak. You get coyotes doing that it will catch whatever finds it except maybe beaver.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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