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How do you read this? #7388845
10/26/21 07:14 PM
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Curious to hear how other people understand this highlighted part of these regulations. What is a "single shot, breech loading, metallic cartridge rifle"?

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Primitive Weapons: Weapons legal for use during the Primitive Weapons season are all archery equipment and primitive firearms.
”Primitive firearms,” for the purpose of hunting deer, are defined as single or double-barreled muzzleloading rifles of at least .38 caliber;
OR single shot, breech loading, metallic cartridge rifles (.35 caliber or larger) and replicas, reproductions, or reintroductions of those type
rifles with an exposed hammer;
OR single or double-barreled muzzleloading shotguns, with single ball or slug. All muzzleloading primitive
firearms must use black powder or a black powder substitute with percussion caps, #209 shotgun primers, or flintlock ignition. “Blackpowder substitute” is defined as a substance designed, manufactured, and specifically intended to be used as a propellant in muzzleloading or
other black powder firearms, excluding modern smokeless powder. Metallic cartridges may be loaded with either black powder or modern
smokeless powder (cartridges purchased at sporting goods stores). Telescopic sights are allowed while hunting with any primitive firearm
during the primitive weapon seasons. A telescopic sight is defined as an optical sighting device with any magnification. During any open
season on deer with primitive weapons after November 30, a person may use any legal weapon of choice, including pre-charged pneumatic
weapons (air guns or bows), on private lands only, if the person is the title owner of the land, the lessee of the hunting rights on the land, a
member of a hunting club leasing the hunting rights on the land, or a guest of a person specified above. If the person is required to have a
hunting license, the person must have a primitive weapon license, Sportsman’s License, or a Lifetime Sportsman’s License.


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Re: How do you read this? [Re: yotetrapper30] #7388848
10/26/21 07:16 PM
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look up the Burnside rifle.

Re: How do you read this? [Re: yotetrapper30] #7388853
10/26/21 07:19 PM
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Sharps rifle

Re: How do you read this? [Re: yotetrapper30] #7388856
10/26/21 07:26 PM
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Rolling block would be another example

Re: How do you read this? [Re: yotetrapper30] #7388873
10/26/21 07:35 PM
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Winchester high and low wall.
Ballard
Peabody

Even the Harrington and Richardson or New England Firearms


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Re: How do you read this? [Re: yotetrapper30] #7388895
10/26/21 07:51 PM
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old trapdoor springfield 45-70 would be legal


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Re: How do you read this? [Re: yotetrapper30] #7388954
10/26/21 08:31 PM
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A tc encore in 35 Whelen would be legal.


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Re: How do you read this? [Re: yotetrapper30] #7388956
10/26/21 08:33 PM
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The 350 legend was made for laws like this.


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Re: How do you read this? [Re: yotetrapper30] #7388960
10/26/21 08:36 PM
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That enough to give me a headache!

Re: How do you read this? [Re: warrior] #7388962
10/26/21 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by warrior


Even the Harrington and Richardson or New England Firearms


That's how I'm reading it. Like an H&R handi rifle would be legal, right?


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Re: How do you read this? [Re: yotetrapper30] #7388967
10/26/21 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
Originally Posted by warrior


Even the Harrington and Richardson or New England Firearms


That's how I'm reading it. Like an H&R handi rifle would be legal, right?

As long as it is 35 caliber or larger.

Re: How do you read this? [Re: John C] #7388990
10/26/21 08:54 PM
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Looking at it again, it looks like any single shot rifle that has a an exposed hammer like a revolver?

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Re: How do you read this? [Re: yotetrapper30] #7389003
10/26/21 09:03 PM
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I am betting that they did not word that correctly for what they intended. I doubt that they intended to include "any single shot rifle with a hammer, over .35 caliber with a metallic case."
But that is pretty much what they described.
Good luck with your local Game Warden.

Last edited by 52Carl; 10/26/21 09:04 PM.
Re: How do you read this? [Re: 52Carl] #7389110
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Originally Posted by 52Carl
I am betting that they did not word that correctly for what they intended. I doubt that they intended to include "any single shot rifle with a hammer, over .35 caliber with a metallic case."
But that is pretty much what they described.
Good luck with your local Game Warden.


I had to quote the trapping guide to the local 'newbie' game warden. grin

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Re: How do you read this? [Re: 52Carl] #7389114
10/26/21 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by 52Carl
I am betting that they did not word that correctly for what they intended. I doubt that they intended to include "any single shot rifle with a hammer, over .35 caliber with a metallic case."
But that is pretty much what they described.
Good luck with your local Game Warden.


I found it odd too because how is a single shot rifle a "primitive weapon"? BUT our hunting and trapping laws are extremely lax down here so it's not out of the question.


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Re: How do you read this? [Re: John C] #7389118
10/26/21 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by John C
A tc encore in 35 Whelen would be legal.

We have the same laws. This is what a lot of people use. We can use a single shot brake open shot gun with buck shot as long it has a external hammer.

Re: How do you read this? [Re: yotetrapper30] #7389121
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Yup the Sharps 45-70 ..
Or the Springfield trap door


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Re: How do you read this? [Re: yotetrapper30] #7389154
10/26/21 11:45 PM
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Handy rifle, rolling block T/C Encore 35 caliber or larger. A Ruger #1 won't fly because it doesn't have an exposed hammer.


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Re: How do you read this? [Re: yotetrapper30] #7389157
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If you use a break open single shot shotgun with an exposed hammer a slug is required in Ms. If on private land here there are no restrictions of type or caliber, except during the very first doe only season. I personally use a 35 ultra mag I chambered or a 45/120 I built. A lot of people use the whelen.


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Re: How do you read this? [Re: turkn8rtrapper] #7389159
10/26/21 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by turkn8rtrapper
If you use a break open single shot shotgun with an exposed hammer a slug is required in Ms. If on private land here there are no restrictions of type or caliber, except during the very first doe only season. I personally use a 35 ultra mag I chambered or a 45/120 I built. A lot of people use the whelen.


It's that first season I was looking at. I hunt all private land. The way I am reading it though, a single shot shotgun with a slug wouldn't count for that first primitive season, would it?


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