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Re: How do you read this? [Re: yotetrapper30] #7389166
10/27/21 12:04 AM
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yes it is in the next line


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Re: How do you read this? [Re: turkn8rtrapper] #7389167
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Originally Posted by turkn8rtrapper
yes it is in the next line


It says "muzzleloading shotgun".


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Re: How do you read this? [Re: yotetrapper30] #7389174
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I wouldn't think the single shot shotgun would be legal since it's not a rifle.


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Re: How do you read this? [Re: yotetrapper30] #7389203
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I like the idea of giving people lots of options. They could have said must use a cartridge in use before 1900 or something. Seems odd that 30-30 isn't legal. It doesn't seem like a bad reg to me but it was definitely written by a committee of non shooting lawyers.


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Re: How do you read this? [Re: yotetrapper30] #7389450
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I found it odd that you can't use a smokeless muzzle loader but can use a smokeless cartridge gun.


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Re: How do you read this? [Re: danny clifton] #7389456
10/27/21 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
I like the idea of giving people lots of options. They could have said must use a cartridge in use before 1900 or something. Seems odd that 30-30 isn't legal. It doesn't seem like a bad reg to me but it was definitely written by a committee of non shooting lawyers.


Once regular season opens you can use anything. AND you can use anything during primitive season on private land except during the first 2 week primitive season. Basically, having a single shot rifle that qualifies for this rule would let you hunt deer with a rifle 2 weeks before regular season opens.


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Re: How do you read this? [Re: yotetrapper30] #7389462
10/27/21 10:15 AM
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Yotetrapper, I interpret our laws to exclude break open single shot shotguns as primitive weapon. Hence that 35 whelens and 45-70s have been so popular. The law says "metallic cartridge."


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Re: How do you read this? [Re: GRP] #7389475
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Originally Posted by GRP
Yotetrapper, I interpret our laws to exclude break open single shot shotguns as primitive weapon. Hence that 35 whelens and 45-70s have been so popular. The law says "metallic cartridge."


Yes I read it to exclude shotguns as well. The following sentence addresses shotguns, but specifies that it must be a muzzle loading shotgun.

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OR single or double-barreled muzzleloading shotguns, with single ball or slug.


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Re: How do you read this? [Re: John C] #7389513
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Originally Posted by John C
The 350 legend was made for laws like this.

only if your shooting it in a single shot rifle with an exposed hammer


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Re: How do you read this? [Re: TurkeyWrangler] #7389523
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Originally Posted by TurkeyWrangler
I wouldn't think the single shot shotgun would be legal since it's not a rifle.


I would call the warden on that one and ask it is a metallic cartridge as it has a metallic head

it sure wouldn't give you any great advantage over say a 45-70 which would be completely legal in a shingle shot with exposed hammer.


I think they are mostly trying to avoid people suing 308, 30-06 ect

if they just said a >100 year old cartridge and you showed up with your 30-06 it really wouldn't be much of a change from normal


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Re: How do you read this? [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7389530
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Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
Originally Posted by TurkeyWrangler
I wouldn't think the single shot shotgun would be legal since it's not a rifle.


I would call the warden on that one and ask it is a metallic cartridge as it has a metallic head

it sure wouldn't give you any great advantage over say a 45-70 which would be completely legal in a shingle shot with exposed hammer.




Except that I have a single shot shotgun but not a single shot rifle, lol


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Re: How do you read this? [Re: yotetrapper30] #7389562
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For what it is worth, your hinge-action single shot shotgun with an exposed hammer CANNOT be used unless you have an all metallic cartridge, not just the short brass portion of your shotgun shell...


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Re: How do you read this? [Re: Redknot] #7389682
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Originally Posted by Redknot
For what it is worth, your hinge-action single shot shotgun with an exposed hammer CANNOT be used unless you have an all metallic cartridge, not just the short brass portion of your shotgun shell...


That is entirely doable.

They have made all brass shotgun shells for over a hundred years. They are still being made today, if you can find them.



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Re: How do you read this? [Re: yotetrapper30] #7389691
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It says "rifle". A shotgun, even with a full metallic shell is not a rifle. Agreed it is not any more advantageous than a single shot rifle but that is the way the law is written.


I don't know if they even made them but if you had a single shot shotgun with a riffled barrel you might have an argument that is a rifle.


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Re: How do you read this? [Re: yotetrapper30] #7389967
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Browning B78 (Win highwall design) in .45-70 is good to go due to exposed hammer, single shot, >.38 caliber, metallic cartridge. As turkn8rtrapper said, Ruger #1 is a no go due to internal hammer. Just evaluate any metallic cartridge firearm against the 3 other simple criteria. Check the wording in the actual legislation passed by your state legislature to make sure it matches the regs published by the state F&G dept. Sometimes they don't match and F&G probably won't be there to support you in court.

Re: How do you read this? [Re: yotetrapper30] #7390251
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Wasn't it Mississippi that, at one time, allowed poison tipped arrows for deer?

Aren't deer as thick as head lice on a Mississippian in Mississippi?
Sounds like the game department want a bunch of them dead judging by how that law is written.

Re: How do you read this? [Re: yotetrapper30] #7390258
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https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1021145014?pid=552031 - There you go yotetrapper30, unless your little girly frame isn't big enough to shoot a big gun as coonman has suggested. Great company to deal with too. grin


https://www.midwayusa.com/product/101822671?pid=708769 - the ammo is available too.

Re: How do you read this? [Re: yotetrapper30] #7390266
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There is definitely a grey area concerning the single shot shotgun. I haven't ever had to deal with it so I have never ask.


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Re: How do you read this? [Re: ~ADC~] #7390272
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Originally Posted by ~ADC~
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1021145014?pid=552031 - There you go yotetrapper30, unless your little girly frame isn't big enough to shoot a big gun as coonman has suggested. Great company to deal with too. grin


https://www.midwayusa.com/product/101822671?pid=708769 - the ammo is available too.


I looked at that one, but kind of got my mind set on a Henry. I hate scopes and the one above doesn't come with sights.

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Ain't going to bother for this year since the early season opens in like a week or so, but will think about it for next year.


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