PCC or Pistol caliber carbine

they aren't new Ruger had their PC carbine as a mate to their duty guns. use the same mag and the same ammo , seemed like a good idea however they discontinued them in 2006 for poor sales numbers

marlin had their camp 9 discontinued about the same time


now PCCs are hot very hot

I was watching a review of some and the reviewer in the 2018 video was asking why the mart trend didn't support PCC 1994 to 2006

but just a few yeas after being discontinued we started to see a real resurgence

my theory is 3 part

1, we were stuck with that stupid magazine ban max 10 rounds 1994 to 2004 it couldn't turn around fast enough in 2005 for the sales of pc carbines to show improvement before the were discontinued

2 being stuck with that stupid mag ban we did have piles of cheap and available SKS rifles with 10 round mags and even more so really cheap 7.62x39 ammo until about 2008

3.there were no games to play with them , multi gun , 3gun and other games like steel challenge didn't have any PCC stuff or didn't even exist yet

possibly even a 4th sort of we started to see states allowing strait wall pistol cartridges for deer hunting in formerly shotgun only zones


I picked up a PCC recently mine is an AR platform that feeds from Glock Mags , #3 was a big factor for me , I like to play gun games being able to run a 2 gun match or use it on a multi gun stage
all the controls are the same as an AR the mag release is a little different but functions almost the same , and it lacks last round bolt hold open so other than that great training tool
it seems of to say the recoil is nearly the same but the blast is much less
the recoil is a function of it being a strait blow back rather than a direct impingement the BCG and buffer still move the same distance as a 223 so it feels very similar

are they ever fun
safe on steel at pistol distances with the speed and distance of a light carbine
safe to run at indoor ranges that prohibit any rifle caliber cartridge

now multiple leagues and shooting competitions have divisions and stages for them.

there is also no cheap ammo so reloaded pistol ammo is about as cost effective as you can shoot besides 22lr.

My wife has been wanting an AR9. I've been looking for one, but just ordered a new 22-250 a few weeks ago, so she's gonna have to wait

Not everyone's cup of tea but I have a 9mm and a 10mm Hi-point carbine and they both are accurate and function flawlessly. Tempted to take the 10mm out along with my Glock 20 in 10mm for deer season this year.

Chris

the 9mm high point was the first PCC I had tried about 13 years ago a friend had one for a while he left it with me for a bit and I shot it some

I remember thinking at the time , it really doesn't do anything the 16 inch barrel SKS didn't and at the time ammo was about the same price my kids were young and I wasn't really going to any shooting competitions

I would be curios how much the 10mm picks up in the longer barrel

the 9mm very much depends on the load it can be 200-400 fps over a 4 inch barrel while in some loads


a comparison to 5, 12 and 16 inch barrels sees the 9mm load dependent slowing down after 12 inches , all the powder is burnt

some of the 124gr 9mm starts to look a lot like a 125gr 357 mag from a pistol

Don't know if it counts, but the admiral has an M1 carbine as her get off my lawn tool. Arguably the ,30 carbine round is but a magnum pistol cartridge for some.

it was the rifle and the cartridge that really started the modern carbine

a light weight goal was 5 pounds

mid power cartridge

a gun for support troops that was easier to train , and more effective than the 45 pistol

it got to be very popular even in some infantry roles

prior to the M1 Carbine anything pistol caliber in a rifle was a SMG that fired from an open bolt for the military or was a lever gun for ammo compatibility between handgun and rifle

the 1905 Winchester was sort of a pistol caliber but not exactly that is where Winchester borrowed the magazine and trigger groups from for the M1 carbine

the M1 carbine was a real marvel of engineering and parts compatibility , with so many places making them and even more making parts of them.

My grand father said all the guys thought the guys with the 30 carbine had it made when walking across Europe untill they entered combat. That's when it became apparent the grand was the gun to have.


We live in caliber restricted state on public land and hunt with a handi rifle in 357 and a marlin also in 357. Cheap to shoot and very effective on deer.

I was going to barrel an H&R with the 357 and 44mag barrels , sent my receiver in and they wouldn't sell me barrels it has been a muzzle loader even though I could provide the 4473 for it because I was told it could be made a shotgun or rifle , wasn't very long after that they discontinued the barrel program.

there is a guy who will ream your chamber to 357 maximum or 445 super mag

probably not needed but the velocity they were getting was impressive

445 super mag is 1.610 inches long keeping it under the 1.7 most states require when running strait wall cartridges

Yes the maximum us impressive. I thought about getting a threaded 16" barrel from mgm for my encore. I also thought about reaming the handi. I believe I would do one of those before buying a 350 legand. But I always wonder if brass will be available.

For self defense inside the home and for just plain fun a PCC is hard to beat. Got my wife one because even an AR is too long and heavy for her, and the PCC is much easier for her to shoot than a handgun.

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star line makes new 357 max brass 1000 pieces and you would likely have a life time supply figure even if you only got 5 reloads which you will likely get many more than that that would be 5000 rounds you could probably get 10 reloads on it

https://www.starlinebrass.com/357-maximum

Kel-Tec sub 2000 in 9mm that I keep in a violin case....

they do make 10.5 AR-braced pistols but they are stupid loud , I put a brake on one and couldn't stand it and went back to the bird cage it didn't seem to change muzzle climb at all on that gun having it on

if laws were about personal safety , every safety conscious lady would have an sbr in a pistol cal with a can , it would be really fun actually to get a group of women together and put them behind a 9mm pcc sbr and train them all a bit and have them run a stage with the sbr and a pistol to show they would be better equipped with the sbr

have them run a shoot house with the sbr then with pistol the hits and speed are just impressive

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Yes Pete, an AR pistol with arm brace was an option but again not great inside the home due to noise plus the regulatory uncertainty regarding the arm brace. Instead she entered the fold.

My wife has her choice, there is a 20 20g with 4 buck and braced 300 8.5" black out with suppresor as well. Iys loaded with 110g vmax. The can helps but its still loud shooting supper sonic and the ar platform stinks with supression.

Very nice! I've been looking for one of these that uses Beretta mags.

the can only helps on a pistol also

a locked breach like a bolt action with a longer barrel and the right ammo then you can get to actually closer to quiet


those new threaded muzzle side gate loading lever guns in 45 , 357 and 44 have a lot of potential for actual quiet car door closing sound level

most everything else is just getting non damaging approximately lawn mower quite and if your thinking a lawn mower can be heard for blocks , yes but it doesn't damage your hearing in under a minute