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Your views of the Alec Baldwin case #7394960
11/02/21 06:49 PM
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What are your thought's.


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Re: Your views of the Alec Baldwin case [Re: Getting There] #7394965
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Not Alec's fault. Don't like the guy but it's not his fault.

Re: Your views of the Alec Baldwin case [Re: Getting There] #7394971
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Fault lies in the person hired specifically to prevent this from happening.
Weapons are supposed to handed out and checked as is the ammo by this person. That is their job.
No fault with Alec as I see it


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Re: Your views of the Alec Baldwin case [Re: Getting There] #7394983
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Alec is a producer writer and actor for the movie.
Every producer safety person armorer director and anyone else who brought live ammo all need to be held accountable.
Either way you paint this picture Alec is guilty. He had terrible production and safety issues many misfires etc... he should've checked the gun to see ensure it was cold. He pulled the trigger rehearsing the scene he failed basic gun safety. Don't say he doesn't know basic gun safety. He's used plenty in his movies.

Re: Your views of the Alec Baldwin case [Re: Donnersurvivor] #7394986
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Not Alec's fault. Don't like the guy but it's not his fault.

I agree.


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Re: Your views of the Alec Baldwin case [Re: Getting There] #7394998
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If someone handed you a gun and said " It's empty " would you point it at someone and pull the trigger?

Re: Your views of the Alec Baldwin case [Re: Getting There] #7394999
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So for those saying he's innocent, let's use this.....a drunk person is handed car keys drives and kills someone who is guilty? The place he got drunk, the person who gave him keys or the drunk driver?

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Re: Your views of the Alec Baldwin case [Re: Donnersurvivor] #7395002
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Not Alec's fault. Don't like the guy but it's not his fault.


Excuse me, but it is totally his fault.

1 All guns are loaded, always
2 Never let the muzzle cover anything you're not willing to destroy
3 Never touch the trigger until the sights are on target
4 Know thy target and what beyond it

Violation of all four in my book.

But, but it was said he was told cold gun. DID HE TAKE RESPONSIBILITY TO CONFIRM THAT?

Guilty of gross negligence resulting in one homicide and one aggravated assault.


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Re: Your views of the Alec Baldwin case [Re: Getting There] #7395003
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Regardless of whether you like the guy or not.


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Re: Your views of the Alec Baldwin case [Re: adam m] #7395005
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Originally Posted by adam m
Alec is a producer writer and actor for the movie.
Every producer safety person armorer director and anyone else who brought live ammo all need to be held accountable.
Either way you paint this picture Alec is guilty. He had terrible production and safety issues many misfires etc... he should've checked the gun to see ensure it was cold. He pulled the trigger rehearsing the scene he failed basic gun safety. Don't say he doesn't know basic gun safety. He's used plenty in his movies.

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Re: Your views of the Alec Baldwin case [Re: Rat Masterson] #7395007
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Originally Posted by Rat Masterson
If someone handed you a gun and said " It's empty " would you point it at someone and pull the trigger?


Not at all. Immediately drop magazine rack slide, thumb open cylinder, half (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) open loading gate, cycle lever open, and if unfamiliar with manual of arms to physically open the action the visually inspect I would refuse to take the weapon until it is demonstrated to me to be "empty".

Basic common sense.


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Re: Your views of the Alec Baldwin case [Re: Donnersurvivor] #7395009
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Not Alec's fault. Don't like the guy but it's not his fault.

He is the guy that pulled the trigger.

Re: Your views of the Alec Baldwin case [Re: warrior] #7395012
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Originally Posted by warrior
Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Not Alec's fault. Don't like the guy but it's not his fault.


Excuse me, but it is totally his fault.

1 All guns are loaded, always
2 Never let the muzzle cover anything you're not willing to destroy
3 Never touch the trigger until the sights are on target
4 Know thy target and what beyond it

Violation of all four in my book.

But, but it was said he was told cold gun. DID HE TAKE RESPONSIBILITY TO CONFIRM THAT?

Guilty of gross negligence resulting in one homicide and one aggravated assault.



I agree. Baldwin shares the responsibility. He was the final check on that gun to make sure it wasn't loaded.

Don't get proud of yourself that I agree with you one time. I'm sure it's an anomaly.


Jim


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Re: Your views of the Alec Baldwin case [Re: Getting There] #7395014
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And I still think real guns that are going to be pointed at people have no business on a movie set. NEVER point a gun at someone except in self-defense.

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Re: Your views of the Alec Baldwin case [Re: Getting There] #7395022
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Did he know there was live ammo on the set? If he did and he didn't check what it was loaded with himself He's guilty. If there was never supposed to be live rounds what so ever and someone else loaded the gun and handed it to him it could be argued it was someone else's fault. That being said he still should have checked for himself. If I personally loaded a gun with blanks and was told to "shoot" at someone im not sure I could do it. The only time I would point a gun at someone is if I intended to kill them.

Re: Your views of the Alec Baldwin case [Re: Getting There] #7395030
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Absolutely. being a hollywood star does not negate you from responsibility.


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Re: Your views of the Alec Baldwin case [Re: Getting There] #7395032
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Alec baldwin is a tool . But he was doing the part he normally does. Not his fault. Now he may share the financial faults being one of the producers.

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But think how many times a gun has been fired at a camera in a tv show movie. TRILLIONS . You just don't notice it until now someone died.

Re: Your views of the Alec Baldwin case [Re: Getting There] #7395038
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what possible reason is there to use a real gun in a movie??????????????????????????????????????


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Re: Your views of the Alec Baldwin case [Re: jbyrd63] #7395041
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Originally Posted by jbyrd63
Alec baldwin is a tool . But he was doing the part he normally does. Not his fault. Now he may share the financial faults being one of the producers.


I'm sure our friend James will also agree, ignorance is not a defense.


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